Comments on: Does Batgirl have a more flattering angle?? UPDATE http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:26:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: The Tenth Carnival of Feminist Science Fiction and Fantasy | Rebecca Allen: A Nerd at Peace http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-2426226 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:23:06 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-2426226 [...] More about Cassandra: Does Batgirl Have A More Flattering Angle? This entry was supposed to be about Cassandra Cain Oh yeah…Art… Shades of Batgirl Batgirl Bruhaha [...] […] More about Cassandra: Does Batgirl Have A More Flattering Angle? This entry was supposed to be about Cassandra Cain Oh yeah…Art… Shades of Batgirl Batgirl Bruhaha […]

]]> by: The Tenth Carnival of Feminist Science Fiction and Fantasy | Rebecca Allen: A Nerd at Peace http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-2426223 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:22:29 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-2426223 [...] More about Cassandra: Does Batgirl Have A More Flattering Angle? This entry was supposed to be about Cassandra Cain Oh yeah…Art… Shades of Batgirl Batgirl Bruhaha [...] […] More about Cassandra: Does Batgirl Have A More Flattering Angle? This entry was supposed to be about Cassandra Cain Oh yeah…Art… Shades of Batgirl Batgirl Bruhaha […]

]]> by: Doc Scurlock http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-1165857 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:24:34 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-1165857 I personally think its a rather saucy piece of artwork on a fictional character whom we've all fancied some at point in our life. if not then why the huge up-roar over THIS pic? we all have our own idea of what batgirl should/shouldnt look like and what kind of person she should/shouldnt be. should she be a b*tch or shouldnt she? we make our own interpretations. this piece of artwork is the artists impression and in some ways, his fantasy. I personally think its a rather saucy piece of artwork on a fictional character whom we’ve all fancied some at point in our life. if not then why the huge up-roar over THIS pic?
we all have our own idea of what batgirl should/shouldnt look like and what kind of person she should/shouldnt be. should she be a b*tch or shouldnt she? we make our own interpretations.
this piece of artwork is the artists impression and in some ways, his fantasy.

]]> by: David http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-75527 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:25:17 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-75527 Supplemental: Doesn't it look like her head is not even fully attached to her body? The left cheek is attached to her shoulder? Supplemental: Doesn’t it look like her head is not even fully attached to her body? The left cheek is attached to her shoulder?

]]> by: David http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-75523 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:20:49 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-75523 I like it all but it has to be drawn good. I agree with a lot of the comments about the good old fashion tradition clean cut super hero. Sadly that has gon out with high heeled sneakers. Kids are buying comics. They never stopped. They're buying the 'hotter' cutie super heros. Hey, sex sells i may not agree with it, you may not agree with it but it's true. 'That's what happened to our super heros. Batgirl today has to be Beautiful, and a Bi+ch. The boob vs. bicept picture could have been saved had the artist colored different or not had the bicept part of the costume torn. The chin? Who knows (LOL) Oh, and Supergirl? I laughed about that flying witha skirt comment. GOOD ONE! Ever notice when she took off, one leg was always bent? That was to pose the skirt as 'closed'. How mant knew that? (smile). I gotta say over all, if you're an underground 'cult' fantasy enjoyer, it's OK. Keep it private or with a group. It you like the universal tradition, that's great too. I admit... I LIKE BOTH. I like it all but it has to be drawn good. I agree with a lot of the comments about the good old fashion tradition clean cut super hero. Sadly that has gon out with high heeled sneakers. Kids are buying comics. They never stopped. They’re buying the ‘hotter’ cutie super heros. Hey, sex sells i may not agree with it, you may not agree with it but it’s true. ‘That’s what happened to our super heros. Batgirl today has to be Beautiful, and a Bi+ch. The boob vs. bicept picture could have been saved had the artist colored different or not had the bicept part of the costume torn. The chin? Who knows (LOL) Oh, and Supergirl? I laughed about that flying witha skirt comment. GOOD ONE! Ever notice when she took off, one leg was always bent? That was to pose the skirt as ‘closed’. How mant knew that? (smile). I gotta say over all, if you’re an underground ‘cult’ fantasy enjoyer, it’s OK. Keep it private or with a group. It you like the universal tradition, that’s great too. I admit… I LIKE BOTH.

]]> by: DrBat http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-59299 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:04:59 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-59299 That image was taken from the cover to #25, where she battled Lady Shiva, which the title had been leading up to since #8. I’m guessing she appeared battle-ravaged on that cover to show the seriousness, or the importance, of the battle. That website was basically made as a little advertisement when #25 came out (hence why the cover for #25 was shown). It wasn’t an encylopedia-type thing. That image was taken from the cover to #25, where she battled Lady Shiva, which the title had been leading up to since #8. I’m guessing she appeared battle-ravaged on that cover to show the seriousness, or the importance, of the battle.

That website was basically made as a little advertisement when #25 came out (hence why the cover for #25 was shown). It wasn’t an encylopedia-type thing.

]]> by: Arion Hunter http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-45149 Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:18:02 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-45149 Thanks to the magic that is the Wayback Machine, that Batgirl art has been on the DC site at least <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20020205231900/http://www.dccomics.com/features/batgirl/bio.html" rel="nofollow">since 2002</a>, I've discovered. They also at one point had entirely seperate <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20041118122533/www.dccomics.com/secret_files/dc_character.html?sc_dc_itemCode=bmbatgirl" rel="nofollow">Secret Files</a> for each character, which did not feature this art. All their biographies, however, seem to have been scrapped, which suggests that they're redoing their entire bio section and letting the <i>52</i> origins stand in for now. Thanks to the magic that is the Wayback Machine, that Batgirl art has been on the DC site at least since 2002, I’ve discovered. They also at one point had entirely seperate Secret Files for each character, which did not feature this art. All their biographies, however, seem to have been scrapped, which suggests that they’re redoing their entire bio section and letting the 52 origins stand in for now.

]]> by: one diverse comic book nation » THE SHORT STACK: Diversity On The ‘Net - January 22, 2007 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-41646 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:46:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-41646 [...] Batgirl&#8217;s Creepy by Johanna Draper Carlson and Does Batgirl have a more flattering angle?? UPDATE by Heidi MacDonald from THE BEAT - Johanna and Heidi look at the picture that DC has of Cassandra Cain/Batgirl on their Web site and wonder what DC was thinking (from Comics Worth Reading and THE BEAT) [...] […] Batgirl’s Creepy by Johanna Draper Carlson and Does Batgirl have a more flattering angle?? UPDATE by Heidi MacDonald from THE BEAT - Johanna and Heidi look at the picture that DC has of Cassandra Cain/Batgirl on their Web site and wonder what DC was thinking (from Comics Worth Reading and THE BEAT) […]

]]> by: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal » Blog Archive » Jan. 22, 2007: Little Sister don’t you http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-41365 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:57:39 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-41365 [...] Rivkah solves the Batgirl problem that has so obsessed bloggers recently. (Right: Batgirl a&#8217;la Rivkah, &#169;Rivkah, DC Comics.) [...] […] Rivkah solves the Batgirl problem that has so obsessed bloggers recently. (Right: Batgirl a’la Rivkah, ©Rivkah, DC Comics.) […]

]]> by: Erik Smith http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-41092 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:46:36 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-41092 Let's not overdo it here by crapping all over the artist based on this one picture. I've yet to see even one person mention his name. It's Damion Scott by the way for anyone who really cares and is not just jumping on the bandwagon. And yeah, I would imagine that it is fan art. He drew the book for three years. I'd bet that he's a fan. Also just a reminder that it's not his fault that DC chose to use this pic to represent her on their site. If you're all going to get enraged about something so silly and outdated, try and stick to the part that counts. Which is that DC ruined a perfectly good character (quite a while ago) and is poorly representing her now. Let’s not overdo it here by crapping all over the artist based on this one picture. I’ve yet to see even one person mention his name. It’s Damion Scott by the way for anyone who really cares and is not just jumping on the bandwagon. And yeah, I would imagine that it is fan art. He drew the book for three years. I’d bet that he’s a fan.

Also just a reminder that it’s not his fault that DC chose to use this pic to represent her on their site. If you’re all going to get enraged about something so silly and outdated, try and stick to the part that counts. Which is that DC ruined a perfectly good character (quite a while ago) and is poorly representing her now.

]]> by: Shannon Chenoweth http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40733 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:06:21 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40733 I've always said we need more respect for our female characters in comic land. I continue to stand by that. Yes, you can have sexy and appealing without going overboard with it. I’ve always said we need more respect for our female characters in comic land. I continue to stand by that. Yes, you can have sexy and appealing without going overboard with it.

]]> by: trevor http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40711 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:59:49 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40711 What's frustrating is that DC or any of the big comic companies always emphasize on their rejection form letters to look up books on anatomy drawing. Why the hell did they approve this crap?! What’s frustrating is that DC or any of the big comic companies always emphasize on their rejection form letters to look up books on anatomy drawing. Why the hell did they approve this crap?!

]]> by: NVigneaux http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40576 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:12:40 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40576 "Seems like the choice is often between this or a cover with Supergirl’s skirt blowing up to reveal her panties." If Supergirl isn't smart enough to know that flying and skirts don't mix, who am I to argue? Seriously though, I've never thought about it until right now, but if Supergirl is still wearing a skirt as part of her "costume" it's time someone put a stop to that. The only problem I have with the Batgirl image is that it's not very impressive. I can't believe it's an image from a cover, as someone pointed out. It looks like fan-art. I don't see any "creepy mix of sex and violence" though. Looks like just a lot of violence to me. “Seems like the choice is often between this or a cover with Supergirl’s skirt blowing up to reveal her panties.”

If Supergirl isn’t smart enough to know that flying and skirts don’t mix, who am I to argue?

Seriously though, I’ve never thought about it until right now, but if Supergirl is still wearing a skirt as part of her “costume” it’s time someone put a stop to that.

The only problem I have with the Batgirl image is that it’s not very impressive. I can’t believe it’s an image from a cover, as someone pointed out. It looks like fan-art.

I don’t see any “creepy mix of sex and violence” though. Looks like just a lot of violence to me.

]]> by: one diverse comic book nation » This entry was supposed to be about Cassandra Cain http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40458 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:22:42 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40458 [...] Everybody seems to be blogging about Cassandra Cain. Kalinara&#8217;s doin&#8217; it. Johanna&#8217;s doin&#8217; it. And, Heidi from THE BEAT is doin&#8217; it. [...] […] Everybody seems to be blogging about Cassandra Cain. Kalinara’s doin’ it. Johanna’s doin’ it. And, Heidi from THE BEAT is doin’ it. […]

]]> by: Lea http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40444 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:34:00 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40444 She has one breast with a buttcrack in it, and another making a break for it. It had gotten as far as her upper right arm before it was captured. She has one breast with a buttcrack in it, and another making a break for it. It had gotten as far as her upper right arm before it was captured.

]]> by: Susie http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40307 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:13:42 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40307 Now that the bicep thing is cleared up, I'm still trying to parse the disembodied head. Now that the bicep thing is cleared up, I’m still trying to parse the disembodied head.

]]> by: Kitty http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40299 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:54:41 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40299 I also thought it was her right breast - I didn't realize that it wasn't until I read these comments! I also thought it was her right breast - I didn’t realize that it wasn’t until I read these comments!

]]> by: Rivkah http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40296 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:47:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40296 <i>I had to look twice before I realize that’s her right bicep, not her right breast.</i> O_o I didn't even notice until you pointed it out. I miss the cute innocent batgirl of the original Batman cartoon series who was always just a little awkward and getting in the way but still fiercely independent and determined to get things done . . . THAT'S a superhero I'd actually ever want to draw or write for! I had to look twice before I realize that’s her right bicep, not her right breast.

O_o I didn’t even notice until you pointed it out.

I miss the cute innocent batgirl of the original Batman cartoon series who was always just a little awkward and getting in the way but still fiercely independent and determined to get things done . . . THAT’S a superhero I’d actually ever want to draw or write for!

]]> by: Spencer Carnage http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40291 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:41:05 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40291 Wait, so you mean she DOESN'T have three boobs? Psssh. Wait, so you mean she DOESN’T have three boobs? Psssh.

]]> by: Shannon Chenoweth http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40264 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:12:43 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40264 Wow, this is disgusting. Batgirl is one of my favorite DC Comics characters and this is the picture they choose to represent her with? I'm sorry DC, but you couldn't be more wrong and out there on this. Please change the image to reflect more respect for this heroine. Wow, this is disgusting. Batgirl is one of my favorite DC Comics characters and this is the picture they choose to represent her with? I’m sorry DC, but you couldn’t be more wrong and out there on this. Please change the image to reflect more respect for this heroine.

]]> by: Sphinx Magoo http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40256 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:45:47 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40256 I can't get to the link listed for Batgirl's official picture. A quick response from the DC webmasters, perhaps? I can’t get to the link listed for Batgirl’s official picture. A quick response from the DC webmasters, perhaps?

]]> by: Tom http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40245 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:52:33 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40245 I love vaginas. YOU may not, Matt, but... I love vaginas. YOU may not, Matt, but…

]]> by: Matthew Bernier http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40199 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:52:25 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40199 I suspect that when this artist looks at girl's anatomy, he skips all the fiddly distracting details like the face, body shape, bone structure, and general anatomy, and skips right to a dessert of artificial breasts and shaven vaginas. If you'd asked for a money shot of bat girl, he'd have given you a materpiece, I bet. I suspect that when this artist looks at girl’s anatomy, he skips all the fiddly distracting details like the face, body shape, bone structure, and general anatomy, and skips right to a dessert of artificial breasts and shaven vaginas.

If you’d asked for a money shot of bat girl, he’d have given you a materpiece, I bet.

]]> by: John A. Walsh http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40193 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:41:23 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40193 This kind of stuff is exactly what's wrong with a lot of comics. And it's also the reason why little kids (especially girls) don't buy them anymore. Seems like the choice is often between this or a cover with Supergirl's skirt blowing up to reveal her panties. I've got no problem with some T&#38;A, but on a title and character called "BatGIRL"? This kind of stuff is exactly what’s wrong with a lot of comics. And it’s also the reason why little kids (especially girls) don’t buy them anymore. Seems like the choice is often between this or a cover with Supergirl’s skirt blowing up to reveal her panties.

I’ve got no problem with some T&A, but on a title and character called “BatGIRL”?

]]> by: Michael http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40190 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:34:48 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40190 Oh! Right bicep, got it. 'Cause it kinda looked like her right boob was dangling off of her left boob or something. Oh! Right bicep, got it. ‘Cause it kinda looked like her right boob was dangling off of her left boob or something.

]]> by: elias A http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40136 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:14:35 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40136 That was the cover to Batgirl 25, I think - the issue with the big fight with Shiva. And if you think this picture was not flattering: Didn't you get the news that DC first cancelled her series, then decided to turn this character (Cassandra Cain) into an evil villain giving melodramatic monologues during the One-year-later event, with rediculous reasons that contradicted continuity and shocked her fans? So this picture at least reminds Batgirl-fans of a time when DC had actually respect for Batgirl and them... That was the cover to Batgirl 25, I think -
the issue with the big fight with Shiva.

And if you think this picture was not flattering:

Didn’t you get the news that DC first cancelled her series, then decided to turn this character (Cassandra Cain) into an evil villain giving melodramatic monologues during the One-year-later event, with rediculous reasons that contradicted continuity and shocked her fans?

So this picture at least reminds Batgirl-fans of a time when DC had actually respect for Batgirl and them…

]]> by: Dirk Deppey http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40112 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:50:17 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40112 I've almost given up on expecting better than this from mainline genre comics, really I have. At this point, I'm more likely to be surprised when a given drawing's underlying anatomy <i>doesn't</i> suck. I’ve almost given up on expecting better than this from mainline genre comics, really I have. At this point, I’m more likely to be surprised when a given drawing’s underlying anatomy doesn’t suck.

]]> by: Todd Alcott http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40111 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:49:59 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40111 You're ahead of me; I had to look twice even after reading your comment. You’re ahead of me; I had to look twice even after reading your comment.

]]> by: Augie De Blieck Jr. http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40104 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:24:40 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/19/does-batgirl-have-a-more-flattering-angle/#comment-40104 I had to look twice before I realize that's her right bicep, not her right breast. I had to look twice before I realize that’s her right bicep, not her right breast.

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