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	<title>Comments on: Lee’s Comics announces Fund Raiser for Fantagraphics at Wonder Con.</title>
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		<title>by: Blog@Newsarama &#187; Meth vs. Deppey. Fight!</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Meth responded in a comments thread at the bottom of a Beat post: My piece at Comicmix.com was not presented as investigative journalism. It was an opinion piece. That’s why the headline said OPINION. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Meth responded in a comments thread at the bottom of a Beat post: My piece at Comicmix.com was not presented as investigative journalism. It was an opinion piece. That’s why the headline said OPINION. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: amy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dirk Deppey's blog this morning was filled with mistruths about Aardwolf Publishing (see above comments from Mr. Reeber) and Meth's career. Has anyone seen that retracted anywhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirk Deppey&#8217;s blog this morning was filled with mistruths about Aardwolf Publishing (see above comments from Mr. Reeber) and Meth&#8217;s career. Has anyone seen that retracted anywhere?
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		<title>by: Colonel Cornhole</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>After you do, let's see if he has the class to issue a retraction, and maybe even an apology.  Like I said, there are better ways to help your buddy than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After you do, let&#8217;s see if he has the class to issue a retraction, and maybe even an apology.  Like I said, there are better ways to help your buddy than this.
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		<title>by: Kim Thompson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would like to point out that no one here ever instructs Dirk to do a damn thing in &quot;Journalista,&quot; except sending him specific links and asking him to post those once in a while. Dirk's Meth tirade, as is every other word on that site, was entirely his own.

Everyone please stop misspelling &quot;sycophant&quot;! It's driving me nuts.

I've exchanged a few friendly e-mails with Clifford and hope to lay this matter to rest by proving to his satisfaction that the &quot;they secretly have libel insurance&quot; claim is 100% bogus. I'm sure he can still find at least six or eight other reasons to hate us unimpeded even once that one goes away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to point out that no one here ever instructs Dirk to do a damn thing in &#8220;Journalista,&#8221; except sending him specific links and asking him to post those once in a while. Dirk&#8217;s Meth tirade, as is every other word on that site, was entirely his own.</p>
<p>Everyone please stop misspelling &#8220;sycophant&#8221;! It&#8217;s driving me nuts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve exchanged a few friendly e-mails with Clifford and hope to lay this matter to rest by proving to his satisfaction that the &#8220;they secretly have libel insurance&#8221; claim is 100% bogus. I&#8217;m sure he can still find at least six or eight other reasons to hate us unimpeded even once that one goes away.
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		<title>by: Colonel Cornhole</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;My professional OPINION is that he’s a liar&quot;

I'm always amazed at how a certain group of people are willing to tarnish their own reputations to defend Harlan Ellison's more questionable activities. We saw it after Worldcon, and now this. 

Cliff Meth seems like a fairly intelligent, reasonably accomplished guy, and here he is, frying his own credibility as genre journalist to make ad hominem statements about a defendant in a very dubious lawsuit. There are other ways to support a friend, that don't require one to compromise their own integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My professional OPINION is that he’s a liar&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always amazed at how a certain group of people are willing to tarnish their own reputations to defend Harlan Ellison&#8217;s more questionable activities. We saw it after Worldcon, and now this. </p>
<p>Cliff Meth seems like a fairly intelligent, reasonably accomplished guy, and here he is, frying his own credibility as genre journalist to make ad hominem statements about a defendant in a very dubious lawsuit. There are other ways to support a friend, that don&#8217;t require one to compromise their own integrity.
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		<title>by: markus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>oh, and amy: if your source is over 4 years old the correct usage is &quot;described&quot; not &quot;describes&quot;. Not to mention that the remark was made in context of a particular issue/disagreement and not necessarily as an overall statement of PADs opinion of Groth.
That is to say, it's quite possible that PAD's opinion is unchanged and he'd say it again, but dragging a 4 year old blog post into this for no good reason is an incredibly cheap attempt to score points and muddy the waters. Please stop doing it.
Also, familiarise yourself with the concept that two people make come to similar opions for different reasons (with or without either of them being right). By no contortion of logic (except perhaps the one in your head) does a similar stance toward Groth make something that seemingly applies to Meth make the same thing apply to David. It (=being a Ellison syncophant) may or may not apply for different reasons but it surely doesn't follow from Meth's stance. And no one claimed it did. In all seriousness, are you unable to understand that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and amy: if your source is over 4 years old the correct usage is &#8220;described&#8221; not &#8220;describes&#8221;. Not to mention that the remark was made in context of a particular issue/disagreement and not necessarily as an overall statement of PADs opinion of Groth.<br />
That is to say, it&#8217;s quite possible that PAD&#8217;s opinion is unchanged and he&#8217;d say it again, but dragging a 4 year old blog post into this for no good reason is an incredibly cheap attempt to score points and muddy the waters. Please stop doing it.<br />
Also, familiarise yourself with the concept that two people make come to similar opions for different reasons (with or without either of them being right). By no contortion of logic (except perhaps the one in your head) does a similar stance toward Groth make something that seemingly applies to Meth make the same thing apply to David. It (=being a Ellison syncophant) may or may not apply for different reasons but it surely doesn&#8217;t follow from Meth&#8217;s stance. And no one claimed it did. In all seriousness, are you unable to understand that?
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		<title>by: Simon Jones</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The irony is that merely *implying* in public that someone is lying in a specific instance when evidence points to the contrary, for the purpose of harming his reputation, is *actual libel*, is it not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is that merely *implying* in public that someone is lying in a specific instance when evidence points to the contrary, for the purpose of harming his reputation, is *actual libel*, is it not?
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		<title>by: Rogers Cadenhead</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Clifford Meth's groundless accusation of fraud is made worse by the lack of disclosure. He's an Ellison pal who credits him with the start of his career writing fiction.

(Along those lines, I'm a long-ago contributor to Amazing Heroes who thinks Ellison is an asshat.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford Meth&#8217;s groundless accusation of fraud is made worse by the lack of disclosure. He&#8217;s an Ellison pal who credits him with the start of his career writing fiction.</p>
<p>(Along those lines, I&#8217;m a long-ago contributor to Amazing Heroes who thinks Ellison is an asshat.)
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		<title>by: Kim Thompson</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>(continued) boneheads for not doing that.

Sorry, the damn thing just posted my response in mid-composition.

&quot;Anyone can be anonymous&quot; doesn't get it: It's not a fact that Gary slandered (or libeled) Ellison, it's the matter under dispute. Most people who've taken the trouble to read the actual court documents realize that, in fact, Gary has enormous factual backup for both statements that are at issue. But most people commenting on this case can't be bothered to actually read the public documents and are going purely by gut instinct, personal bias, or a lazy reading of what other people have said.

INFORMED opinion. It's worth a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(continued) boneheads for not doing that.</p>
<p>Sorry, the damn thing just posted my response in mid-composition.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyone can be anonymous&#8221; doesn&#8217;t get it: It&#8217;s not a fact that Gary slandered (or libeled) Ellison, it&#8217;s the matter under dispute. Most people who&#8217;ve taken the trouble to read the actual court documents realize that, in fact, Gary has enormous factual backup for both statements that are at issue. But most people commenting on this case can&#8217;t be bothered to actually read the public documents and are going purely by gut instinct, personal bias, or a lazy reading of what other people have said.</p>
<p>INFORMED opinion. It&#8217;s worth a try.
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		<title>by: Chad Anderson</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, don't kid yourself, Anyone can be anonymous, it was personal for Meth, too. Why else would he go out of his way to randomly drop in the titles of some of the porn that Fantagraphics publishes in his original column?

Or take this paragraph toward the end: &quot;So, again, why is Groth begging alms for the poor? Answer: This appears to be a PR coup for the publisher who once thought his Comics Journal would make him the Hunter S. Thompson of the comics industry. Sadly, TCJ has become irrelevant, publishing porn has dubious merits, and it seems the only way Groth can virally promote his company is by manufacturing controversy.&quot;

The implication is that this is a company on the way out: Its magazine sucks, the porn isn't selling and promotion is tough because no one covers Fantagraphics unless there's some controversy attached. Fantagraphics' Peanuts and Popeye reprints are mentioned earlier as &quot;licensing deals,&quot; but it's as if all the great contemporary cartoonists that Fantagraphics has published - Los Bros Hernandez, Charles Burns, Jim Woodring, Linda Medley, etc., etc. - never existed. 

It's a bit like describing Ellison as a former girlie-mag editor while ignoring the fact that the magazine in question had an amazing list of contributors or not making any mention of Ellison's many other notable achievements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, don&#8217;t kid yourself, Anyone can be anonymous, it was personal for Meth, too. Why else would he go out of his way to randomly drop in the titles of some of the porn that Fantagraphics publishes in his original column?</p>
<p>Or take this paragraph toward the end: &#8220;So, again, why is Groth begging alms for the poor? Answer: This appears to be a PR coup for the publisher who once thought his Comics Journal would make him the Hunter S. Thompson of the comics industry. Sadly, TCJ has become irrelevant, publishing porn has dubious merits, and it seems the only way Groth can virally promote his company is by manufacturing controversy.&#8221;</p>
<p>The implication is that this is a company on the way out: Its magazine sucks, the porn isn&#8217;t selling and promotion is tough because no one covers Fantagraphics unless there&#8217;s some controversy attached. Fantagraphics&#8217; Peanuts and Popeye reprints are mentioned earlier as &#8220;licensing deals,&#8221; but it&#8217;s as if all the great contemporary cartoonists that Fantagraphics has published - Los Bros Hernandez, Charles Burns, Jim Woodring, Linda Medley, etc., etc. - never existed. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit like describing Ellison as a former girlie-mag editor while ignoring the fact that the magazine in question had an amazing list of contributors or not making any mention of Ellison&#8217;s many other notable achievements.
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		<title>by: Kim Thompson</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I e-mailed Clifford Meth an extremely courteous note (given the circumstances) confirming that we do not have libel insurance and offering to give him our lawyer's phone number so he can ask our lawyer for confirmation directly.

As for the whole issue of why we don't have libel insurance: It's very expensive -- it is, in fact, particularly expensive when the company has a history of being sued for libel (which we have, three times -- all silly lawsuits, all eventual defeats for the plaintiffs), for the same reason that hurricane insurance is a lot more expensive when your house has been knocked down three times by hurricanes in the past. Moreover, if you've relying on your libel insurance, you have to then accept the insurance-company laywers, who are not necessarily the best and whose prime loyalty is to avoid costing the insurance company money, not helping you defend the case -- OR you can, as we did with the original Ellison/Fleisher case, insist on hiring your own counsel and paying for that.

So with libel insurance we'd have gotten to pay a very high premium for the last 20 years, and then when we got sued by Harlan, pay a high deductible and then hire our own lawyers of which the insurance company would likely pay only a fraction. Sounds like a great deal, doesn't it? Yeah, we're real</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I e-mailed Clifford Meth an extremely courteous note (given the circumstances) confirming that we do not have libel insurance and offering to give him our lawyer&#8217;s phone number so he can ask our lawyer for confirmation directly.</p>
<p>As for the whole issue of why we don&#8217;t have libel insurance: It&#8217;s very expensive &#8212; it is, in fact, particularly expensive when the company has a history of being sued for libel (which we have, three times &#8212; all silly lawsuits, all eventual defeats for the plaintiffs), for the same reason that hurricane insurance is a lot more expensive when your house has been knocked down three times by hurricanes in the past. Moreover, if you&#8217;ve relying on your libel insurance, you have to then accept the insurance-company laywers, who are not necessarily the best and whose prime loyalty is to avoid costing the insurance company money, not helping you defend the case &#8212; OR you can, as we did with the original Ellison/Fleisher case, insist on hiring your own counsel and paying for that.</p>
<p>So with libel insurance we&#8217;d have gotten to pay a very high premium for the last 20 years, and then when we got sued by Harlan, pay a high deductible and then hire our own lawyers of which the insurance company would likely pay only a fraction. Sounds like a great deal, doesn&#8217;t it? Yeah, we&#8217;re real
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		<title>by: Anyone can be anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[i]I still find it hard to believe that Groth would risk alienating his company’s supporters (not to mention a fraud conviction) by soliciting money for a defense fund that he didn’t need.[/i]]

But he'd risk a libel suit by slandering a respected author. And he solicited funds for the Fleisher suit and admits to having had insurance then, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[i]I still find it hard to believe that Groth would risk alienating his company’s supporters (not to mention a fraud conviction) by soliciting money for a defense fund that he didn’t need.[/i]]</p>
<p>But he&#8217;d risk a libel suit by slandering a respected author. And he solicited funds for the Fleisher suit and admits to having had insurance then, too.
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		<title>by: Chad Anderson</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>But Amy, at least Groth's &quot;sycophant&quot; is identified as a Fantagraphics employee, given that his column runs at the company's Web site, whereas Meth's column makes no mention of the fact that he's buddies with Ellison. He's simply listed as &quot;an author, editor and publisher.&quot; Just as you're skeptical about Dirk Deppey's assertions due to his status as an employee of Gary Groth (and I see your point), I think others (myself included) might take Meth's column with a grain of salt given his friendship with Ellison. Neither relationship automatically makes what either man is saying untrue, but it's information that I think readers ought to get without having to run a separate Google search. (I also think Meth should've mentioned Groth's Feb. 25 statement in his column, if only to eliminate the obvious question that came up when I (and, I'm guessing, others) read his piece at ComicMix.)

Conficts of interest aside, I still find it hard to believe that Groth would risk alienating his company's supporters (not to mention a fraud conviction) by soliciting money for a defense fund that he didn't need. I find it much more believable that he either has a low-grade errors and omissions policy that covers damages and not legal expenses (note that his Feb. 25 post says nothing about not having the insurance, just that all legal expenses were being paid out of pocket), or he decided not to carry the insurance for whatever reason (cost? stupidity?). So I'm choosing slightly inept businessman over evil schemer, but I'm guessing that in the well-mannered spirit of Tony Isabella, we'll have to agree to disagree, since, really, who the heck knows, other than Gary Groth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Amy, at least Groth&#8217;s &#8220;sycophant&#8221; is identified as a Fantagraphics employee, given that his column runs at the company&#8217;s Web site, whereas Meth&#8217;s column makes no mention of the fact that he&#8217;s buddies with Ellison. He&#8217;s simply listed as &#8220;an author, editor and publisher.&#8221; Just as you&#8217;re skeptical about Dirk Deppey&#8217;s assertions due to his status as an employee of Gary Groth (and I see your point), I think others (myself included) might take Meth&#8217;s column with a grain of salt given his friendship with Ellison. Neither relationship automatically makes what either man is saying untrue, but it&#8217;s information that I think readers ought to get without having to run a separate Google search. (I also think Meth should&#8217;ve mentioned Groth&#8217;s Feb. 25 statement in his column, if only to eliminate the obvious question that came up when I (and, I&#8217;m guessing, others) read his piece at ComicMix.)</p>
<p>Conficts of interest aside, I still find it hard to believe that Groth would risk alienating his company&#8217;s supporters (not to mention a fraud conviction) by soliciting money for a defense fund that he didn&#8217;t need. I find it much more believable that he either has a low-grade errors and omissions policy that covers damages and not legal expenses (note that his Feb. 25 post says nothing about not having the insurance, just that all legal expenses were being paid out of pocket), or he decided not to carry the insurance for whatever reason (cost? stupidity?). So I&#8217;m choosing slightly inept businessman over evil schemer, but I&#8217;m guessing that in the well-mannered spirit of Tony Isabella, we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree, since, really, who the heck knows, other than Gary Groth?
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		<title>by: Anyone can be anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Minimally, it seems his profession qualifies him to discuss publishers insurance. That's the real issue, but Dirk has been instructed to make it personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minimally, it seems his profession qualifies him to discuss publishers insurance. That&#8217;s the real issue, but Dirk has been instructed to make it personal.
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		<title>by: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What part of Meth's profession qualifies him to give a professional opinion that someone is lying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part of Meth&#8217;s profession qualifies him to give a professional opinion that someone is lying?
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		<title>by: Jim Reeber</title>
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					<description>Dirk: That piece at your blog is filled with so much misinformation that I don’t even know where to begin. But first, to set matters straight, Clifford Meth is a consultant to Aardwolf Publishing and I am the owner. Cliff and I founded it together with other backers in 1993 but Cliff left us when he joined a major media company in 2003. I continue to publish Cliff’s work because it’s quality and it sells. You may object to the word “quality” but I have a letter hanging here in my office from Kurt Vonnegut praising one of Cliff’s books; I have another one from Leonard Cohen. Of course, Vonnegut is also a friend of Harlan Ellison’s (Cohen might be, too), so you can build your whole blog around that tomorro

Aardwolf Publishing’s books are carried by Diamond Comics Distribution, Barnes&amp;#38;Noble, Borders, Amazon, etc.; the same places Fantagraphics books are found.

Prior to joining Aardwolf, Cliff held editorial and marketing positions with VNU Publishing, Penton Publishing, Hayden Publishing and Gordon Publications for more than 15 years. He was featured on the cover of FOLIO MAGAZINE (The Magazine for Magazine Management) in 1991 after helping turn around the magazine ELECTRONIC DESIGN. You can look it up. But I suspect you already did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirk: That piece at your blog is filled with so much misinformation that I don’t even know where to begin. But first, to set matters straight, Clifford Meth is a consultant to Aardwolf Publishing and I am the owner. Cliff and I founded it together with other backers in 1993 but Cliff left us when he joined a major media company in 2003. I continue to publish Cliff’s work because it’s quality and it sells. You may object to the word “quality” but I have a letter hanging here in my office from Kurt Vonnegut praising one of Cliff’s books; I have another one from Leonard Cohen. Of course, Vonnegut is also a friend of Harlan Ellison’s (Cohen might be, too), so you can build your whole blog around that tomorro</p>
<p>Aardwolf Publishing’s books are carried by Diamond Comics Distribution, Barnes&amp;Noble, Borders, Amazon, etc.; the same places Fantagraphics books are found.</p>
<p>Prior to joining Aardwolf, Cliff held editorial and marketing positions with VNU Publishing, Penton Publishing, Hayden Publishing and Gordon Publications for more than 15 years. He was featured on the cover of FOLIO MAGAZINE (The Magazine for Magazine Management) in 1991 after helping turn around the magazine ELECTRONIC DESIGN. You can look it up. But I suspect you already did.
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		<title>by: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mar. 6, 2007: Free Comic Book Day&#8217;s hidden costs</title>
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					<description>[...] &amp;#8220;My professional OPINION is that he&amp;#8217;s a liar.&amp;#8221; - Clifford Meth, fulfilling prophecy (Scroll down to comments) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &#8220;My professional OPINION is that he&#8217;s a liar.&#8221; - Clifford Meth, fulfilling prophecy (Scroll down to comments) [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Dirk Deppey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well gosh, I guess ends the argument, doesn't it? Meth says it, you believe it... that settles it!

And yes, Peter David is a Harlan Ellison syncophant. Are you kidding me? He's also a longstanding enemy of Groth's, which apparently makes him an objective &quot;expert&quot; in your book as well. That must be some book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well gosh, I guess ends the argument, doesn&#8217;t it? Meth says it, you believe it&#8230; that settles it!</p>
<p>And yes, Peter David is a Harlan Ellison syncophant. Are you kidding me? He&#8217;s also a longstanding enemy of Groth&#8217;s, which apparently makes him an objective &#8220;expert&#8221; in your book as well. That must be some book.
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		<title>by: amy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 05:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>But Meth did answer you. He said that he thinks Gary Groth is a liar.

Peter David describes Gary Groth as &quot;someone with a total lack of human decency&quot; http://peterdavid.malibulist.com/archives/001226.html  He must be an Ellison syncophant, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Meth did answer you. He said that he thinks Gary Groth is a liar.</p>
<p>Peter David describes Gary Groth as &#8220;someone with a total lack of human decency&#8221; <a href='http://peterdavid.malibulist.com/archives/001226.html' rel='nofollow'>http://peterdavid.malibulist.com/archives/001226.html</a>  He must be an Ellison syncophant, too.
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		<title>by: Dirk Deppey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Not as interesting as the fact that Meth seems reluctant to answer my rebuttal with any substance, or provide so much as a smidgen of evidence to support the allegations that he downgrades to &quot;opinion&quot; when called out. (Way to stand behind your &quot;professional OPINION,&quot; Cliff.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not as interesting as the fact that Meth seems reluctant to answer my rebuttal with any substance, or provide so much as a smidgen of evidence to support the allegations that he downgrades to &#8220;opinion&#8221; when called out. (Way to stand behind your &#8220;professional OPINION,&#8221; Cliff.)
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		<title>by: amy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's interesting how those who have any connection with Harlan Ellison are called syncophants by Gary Groth's PAID staff. I read Meth's article (er, opinion) and found it informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how those who have any connection with Harlan Ellison are called syncophants by Gary Groth&#8217;s PAID staff. I read Meth&#8217;s article (er, opinion) and found it informative.
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		<title>by: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Everybody has opinions: I have them, you have them. And we are all told from the moment we open our eyes, that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Well, that’s horsepuckey, of course. We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s nothing.&quot;
Harlan Ellison (from http://harlanellison.com/buzz/bws006.htm )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everybody has opinions: I have them, you have them. And we are all told from the moment we open our eyes, that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Well, that’s horsepuckey, of course. We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s nothing.&#8221;<br />
Harlan Ellison (from <a href='http://harlanellison.com/buzz/bws006.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://harlanellison.com/buzz/bws006.htm</a> )
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		<title>by: Dirk Deppey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Huh. One of these days, I suppose some &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sycophant&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sort of dictionary&lt;/a&gt; is in order. Still, better an occasional bad speller than a duplicitous weasel, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. One of these days, I suppose some <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sycophant" rel="nofollow">sort of dictionary</a> is in order. Still, better an occasional bad speller than a duplicitous weasel, eh?
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		<title>by: Dirk Deppey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;/i&gt;&quot;syncophantic,&quot; sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></i>&#8220;syncophantic,&#8221; sorry.
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		<title>by: Dirk Deppey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>And your &quot;professional&quot; opinion is &lt;i&gt;in no way&lt;/i&gt; influenced by your synchophantic friendship with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cliffordmeth.com/gallery/photos/Cliff_Harlan_ICON3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uncle Harlan&lt;/a&gt;, now is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And your &#8220;professional&#8221; opinion is <i>in no way</i> influenced by your synchophantic friendship with <a href="http://www.cliffordmeth.com/gallery/photos/Cliff_Harlan_ICON3" rel="nofollow">Uncle Harlan</a>, now is it?
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		<title>by: Clifford Meth</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My piece at Comicmix.com was not presented as investigative journalism. It was an opinion piece. That’s why the headline said OPINION.

There was no need for anyone to call Fantagraphics. On Feb. 25, Groth stated on his own bulletin board that he *doesn’t* have insurance.

My professional OPINION is that he's a liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My piece at Comicmix.com was not presented as investigative journalism. It was an opinion piece. That’s why the headline said OPINION.</p>
<p>There was no need for anyone to call Fantagraphics. On Feb. 25, Groth stated on his own bulletin board that he *doesn’t* have insurance.</p>
<p>My professional OPINION is that he&#8217;s a liar.
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		<title>by: Dirk Deppey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>More on the subject of Clifford Meth's attempted hit piece in &lt;a href=&quot;http://tcj.com/journalista/?p=304&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;today's &lt;i&gt;&amp;#161;Journalista!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the subject of Clifford Meth&#8217;s attempted hit piece in <a href="http://tcj.com/journalista/?p=304" rel="nofollow"><i>today&#8217;s <i>&iexcl;Journalista!</a></i>
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		<title>by: Dirk Deppey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 06:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If he had called, he'd have received the same answer to this allegation that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tcj.com/messboard/viewtopic.php?t=1463&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gary Groth&lt;/a&gt; gave when Harlan Ellison made it:

&quot;This allegation piles nonsense upon nonsense; it is a series of falsehoods. It is unclear, due to Ellison’s mangled grammar, if he’s alleging that an insurance company is paying our legal expenses or if a “secret financial angel” is paying our legal expenses —or both, which would be a trick!— but in fact our legal expenses are being paid for neither by an insurance company nor by a “secret financial angel.” There is no insurance company; there is no financial angel. We are paying —and have paid— all our legal expenses ourselves. Just to be entirely clear and incredibly redundant: We have to this date paid 100% of our legal expenses without any help from an insurance company or any “secret financial angel.” I can think of no reason for spreading this falsehood except to sabotage our forthcoming appeal for donations. If anyone doubts us, we respectfully suggest you demand proof from Ellison of these false and scurrilous accusations. &quot;

This sure looks like a sleazy attempt on Meth's part to hamper Fantagraphics' ability to defend itself in court, doesn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he had called, he&#8217;d have received the same answer to this allegation that <a href="http://www.tcj.com/messboard/viewtopic.php?t=1463" rel="nofollow">Gary Groth</a> gave when Harlan Ellison made it:</p>
<p>&#8220;This allegation piles nonsense upon nonsense; it is a series of falsehoods. It is unclear, due to Ellison’s mangled grammar, if he’s alleging that an insurance company is paying our legal expenses or if a “secret financial angel” is paying our legal expenses —or both, which would be a trick!— but in fact our legal expenses are being paid for neither by an insurance company nor by a “secret financial angel.” There is no insurance company; there is no financial angel. We are paying —and have paid— all our legal expenses ourselves. Just to be entirely clear and incredibly redundant: We have to this date paid 100% of our legal expenses without any help from an insurance company or any “secret financial angel.” I can think of no reason for spreading this falsehood except to sabotage our forthcoming appeal for donations. If anyone doubts us, we respectfully suggest you demand proof from Ellison of these false and scurrilous accusations. &#8221;</p>
<p>This sure looks like a sleazy attempt on Meth&#8217;s part to hamper Fantagraphics&#8217; ability to defend itself in court, doesn&#8217;t it?
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		<title>by: Chad Anderson</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 06:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A question for Mr. Meth: Did you make any attempt to call Fantagraphics to get an answer about whether or not they have publisher's insurance that would cover this lawsuit? 

You've certainly raised a valid question, but even when your post is labeled as opinion, it still seems kinda wonky to accuse Fantagraphics of running a scam without calling them to get confirmation, denial or obfuscation directly from the horse's mouth. If you're going to go to the trouble of calling other publishers who are about their size, why not just call Fantagraphics directly?

I don't think it speaks well of the journalistic standards of the ComicMix Web site that they ran this piece without someone asking you to make that call or making it for you. I also think it might've been worth running at least one sentence mentioning that you and Mr. Ellison are pals, even if it was part of the brief bio at the end, but, as you point out in your piece, &quot;the comic book industry sometimes functions outside of common sense and standard operating procedures.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question for Mr. Meth: Did you make any attempt to call Fantagraphics to get an answer about whether or not they have publisher&#8217;s insurance that would cover this lawsuit? </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve certainly raised a valid question, but even when your post is labeled as opinion, it still seems kinda wonky to accuse Fantagraphics of running a scam without calling them to get confirmation, denial or obfuscation directly from the horse&#8217;s mouth. If you&#8217;re going to go to the trouble of calling other publishers who are about their size, why not just call Fantagraphics directly?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it speaks well of the journalistic standards of the ComicMix Web site that they ran this piece without someone asking you to make that call or making it for you. I also think it might&#8217;ve been worth running at least one sentence mentioning that you and Mr. Ellison are pals, even if it was part of the brief bio at the end, but, as you point out in your piece, &#8220;the comic book industry sometimes functions outside of common sense and standard operating procedures.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Clifford Meth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 06:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It is highly unlikely that Fantagraphics doesn't have FULL, PAID-IN-ADVANCE LEGAL COVERAGE for ANY and ALL LAWSUITS via their publisher's insurance. This Legal Defense Fund is, in my professional opinion, a scam.

http://www.comicmix.com/news/2007/03/03/clifford-meth-fantagraphicss-legal-defense-fund-decisive-or-deceitful/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is highly unlikely that Fantagraphics doesn&#8217;t have FULL, PAID-IN-ADVANCE LEGAL COVERAGE for ANY and ALL LAWSUITS via their publisher&#8217;s insurance. This Legal Defense Fund is, in my professional opinion, a scam.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.comicmix.com/news/2007/03/03/clifford-meth-fantagraphicss-legal-defense-fund-decisive-or-deceitful/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.comicmix.com/news/2007/03/03/clifford-meth-fantagraphicss-legal-defense-fund-decisive-or-deceitful/</a>
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