Comments on: Grindhouse: Who Needs Chris Masterson? http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:59:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: J http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-122996 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:52:10 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-122996 It was filmed at the Omelettery. It was filmed at the Omelettery.

]]> by: Rafael Kayanan http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-122788 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:11:02 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-122788 ...DON'T... …DON’T…

]]> by: Jamie Coville http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-122488 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:06:00 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-122488 Rivkah: It could have been. I doubt the inside of Zedler mill was used for the restaurant. Inside the mill is probably a bunch of wood working tools all strung together so they could run via the river dam. I doubt there was room to set up a bar and tables. Especially the part where Cherry is sitting at a table by the window. That part may have been filmed at The Omelettry, it looked pretty modern. Rivkah: It could have been. I doubt the inside of Zedler mill was used for the restaurant. Inside the mill is probably a bunch of wood working tools all strung together so they could run via the river dam. I doubt there was room to set up a bar and tables. Especially the part where Cherry is sitting at a table by the window. That part may have been filmed at The Omelettry, it looked pretty modern.

]]> by: Rivkah http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-122066 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:33:00 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-122066 Jamie: Wasn't part of it shot at The Omelettry, too? I actually live right up the street from there and remember going by once and seeing these HUGE lights all set up in the middle of the night, half the road blocked off, and tons of people milling around . . . and it all being <i>completely</i> silent. It was creepy. http://www.texasnationalpress.com/texlog/article.php?story=20070329160725817 Jamie: Wasn’t part of it shot at The Omelettry, too? I actually live right up the street from there and remember going by once and seeing these HUGE lights all set up in the middle of the night, half the road blocked off, and tons of people milling around . . . and it all being completely silent. It was creepy.

http://www.texasnationalpress.com/texlog/article.php?story=20070329160725817

]]> by: Randall Kirby http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121956 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:18:21 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121956 The grindhouse preview on Spike TV showed clips from lap dance scene in Death Proof, and Stuntman Mike having a fascination with Jungle Julia's feet. So expect those missing reels to be found by the time the DVD is released. The grindhouse preview on Spike TV showed clips from lap dance scene in Death Proof, and Stuntman Mike having a fascination with Jungle Julia’s feet.

So expect those missing reels to be found by the time the DVD is released.

]]> by: DCMovieGirl http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121948 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:12:17 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121948 "...Since when did femininity include hanging by a couple of belts on the hood of a car while it careens down the road at high speed?" Since Zoe Bell, a woman, does that for a living why don't you ask her? :-) As for the first group of girls, we are meant to get to know them and care for them, in all their beauty and flaws. We are supposed to want to crash to happen only to feel regret/disgust for it (that's paraphrasing Mr. Tarentino, himself). It's not pointless interchangeable women, mutilated and murdered for our entertainment. It's supposed to be provocative. That it wasn't for some, I think is more a failure of Tarentino's dialogue-writing skills, in this instance. Th second group do leave behind the "Hollywood airhead", symbolically the simplistic character we used to seeing get used, raped, mutilated, and killed in these types of movies. Instead we get three women who are despite their differences, strong and feminine in their own ways. They are the ones who do the (metaphorical) raping, beating, and killing. And I must add, they were very likable to boot. “…Since when did femininity include hanging by a couple of belts on the hood of a car while it careens down the road at high speed?”

Since Zoe Bell, a woman, does that for a living why don’t you ask her? :-)

As for the first group of girls, we are meant to get to know them and care for them, in all their beauty and flaws.

We are supposed to want to crash to happen only to feel regret/disgust for it (that’s paraphrasing Mr. Tarentino, himself).

It’s not pointless interchangeable women, mutilated and murdered for our entertainment. It’s supposed to be provocative.

That it wasn’t for some, I think is more a failure of Tarentino’s dialogue-writing skills, in this instance.

Th second group do leave behind the “Hollywood airhead”, symbolically the simplistic character we used to seeing get used, raped, mutilated, and killed in these types of movies.

Instead we get three women who are despite their differences, strong and feminine in their own ways. They are the ones who do the (metaphorical) raping, beating, and killing.

And I must add, they were very likable to boot.

]]> by: Anun http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121806 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:09:08 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121806 Thems who calls it "macho and masculine" are assigning gender roles where others may see none. Jackie Brown showed one kind of powerful woman, sure, but to say that's the only template for a powerful woman to be is quite limiting. Aggression and a capacity for violence just aren't male-only traits, and it's detrimental to believe otherwise. This just in: chicks like to punch things too! Thems who calls it “macho and masculine” are assigning gender roles where others may see none. Jackie Brown showed one kind of powerful woman, sure, but to say that’s the only template for a powerful woman to be is quite limiting. Aggression and a capacity for violence just aren’t male-only traits, and it’s detrimental to believe otherwise.

This just in: chicks like to punch things too!

]]> by: MBunge http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121791 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:34:31 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121791 DCMovieGirl - "(quoting me)“Feminine = victim. Meanwhile, being macho to the point of stupidity is empowering and admirable. Masculine = hero.” What? You are the one assigning those gender roles, not Quentin. On this point you are very wrong. The power these women exude comes from their femininity. That includes heroics, courage, and their sexuality. None of those qualities are mutually exclusive nor innately masculine or feminine." What's the difference between the first group of girls who get killed and the group that lives, particularly the two who actually battle Stuntman Mike in the car chase? Since when did femininity include hanging by a couple of belts on the hood of a car while it careens down the road at high speed? Or how about chasing after a guy who almost killed you, like you're living in a video game? That's feminine? The fact that Tarantino specifically leaves out the most sterotypically feminine character from the big chase only underscores the point he's trying to make. Tarantino proved he could give us a real and powerful woman in JACKIE BROWN. In DEATH PROOF (and KILL BILL), he gave us "powerful" women who's power was defined in masculine, macho terms. Just like the biological determinism of KILL BILL, DEATH PROOF only looks like there's any feminism at its heart. Mike DCMovieGirl - “(quoting me)“Feminine = victim. Meanwhile, being macho to the point of stupidity is empowering and admirable. Masculine = hero.”

What?

You are the one assigning those gender roles, not Quentin. On this point you are very wrong.

The power these women exude comes from their femininity. That includes heroics, courage, and their sexuality.

None of those qualities are mutually exclusive nor innately masculine or feminine.”

What’s the difference between the first group of girls who get killed and the group that lives, particularly the two who actually battle Stuntman Mike in the car chase? Since when did femininity include hanging by a couple of belts on the hood of a car while it careens down the road at high speed? Or how about chasing after a guy who almost killed you, like you’re living in a video game? That’s feminine? The fact that Tarantino specifically leaves out the most sterotypically feminine character from the big chase only underscores the point he’s trying to make.

Tarantino proved he could give us a real and powerful woman in JACKIE BROWN. In DEATH PROOF (and KILL BILL), he gave us “powerful” women who’s power was defined in masculine, macho terms. Just like the biological determinism of KILL BILL, DEATH PROOF only looks like there’s any feminism at its heart.

Mike

]]> by: Brian Spence http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121785 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:25:35 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121785 My brother and I saw it this weekend. It was fun, but definitely not one of the best entries in either filmmaker's library. They wanted it to look like a crappy 70's flick, and it worked. It looked crappy. My bro and I also noted that they never resolved what happened with that girl who was left behind (I don't think it's fair to call it a "rape" scene. Nobody knows what happened). I don't know about Tarantino's "track record of brutality to women." I just don't think that Tarantino differentiates women from men in his movies. They're all on equal footing, and therefore will get treated the same. Who ISN'T brutalized in a QT movie? Overall, I don't think Quentin makes his women the "poor defenseless" types. My brother and I saw it this weekend. It was fun, but definitely not one of the best entries in either filmmaker’s library. They wanted it to look like a crappy 70’s flick, and it worked. It looked crappy.

My bro and I also noted that they never resolved what happened with that girl who was left behind (I don’t think it’s fair to call it a “rape” scene. Nobody knows what happened).

I don’t know about Tarantino’s “track record of brutality to women.” I just don’t think that Tarantino differentiates women from men in his movies. They’re all on equal footing, and therefore will get treated the same. Who ISN’T brutalized in a QT movie? Overall, I don’t think Quentin makes his women the “poor defenseless” types.

]]> by: Adam http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121764 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:09:58 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121764 Actually, scratch that. Chris Masterson is the brother of Danny Masterson from "That 70's Show." Chris is the older brother from "Malcolm in the Middle." Silly me. Actually, scratch that. Chris Masterson is the brother of Danny Masterson from “That 70’s Show.” Chris is the older brother from “Malcolm in the Middle.” Silly me.

]]> by: William Gatevackes http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121757 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:07:42 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121757 I think that Death Proof was better. Not that I hated Planet Terror or anything, I liked it too, just that I thought DP was better. I agree with Jimmy that the dialogue of the women's scene were not boring. For me, it was a way with the first set to make them less of nameless victims and make them in characters you care about and in the second setting up some exposition to go with the characterization (IE. that Kim had a gun, that Zoe was, in essence, Death Proof herself.) As for the "Tarantino as a feminist argument". I think the missing reel from his film adds fodder to that. He spends most of the movie up to that point selling the lap dance, doing a hard sell right before it. When it comes to delivering it, "missing reel" (at least in the version I saw). It was similar, yet opposite, to what he intended with the crash. You want to see the crash? I'll give you the crash, worse than you can imagine. Want to see the hot girl give a sultry lap dance? Well, you're not going to get it. Think about your wanting to see both those things afterward. On a personal note, I love the scene with the shots of Chartruese. Chartruese is a shot my friends and I use as a badge of honor. If you drink it with us, you're part of the group. And it is horribly foul. Think Aqua Velva with some black pepper mixed in. It's great. I think that Death Proof was better. Not that I hated Planet Terror or anything, I liked it too, just that I thought DP was better. I agree with Jimmy that the dialogue of the women’s scene were not boring. For me, it was a way with the first set to make them less of nameless victims and make them in characters you care about and in the second setting up some exposition to go with the characterization (IE. that Kim had a gun, that Zoe was, in essence, Death Proof herself.)

As for the “Tarantino as a feminist argument”. I think the missing reel from his film adds fodder to that. He spends most of the movie up to that point selling the lap dance, doing a hard sell right before it. When it comes to delivering it, “missing reel” (at least in the version I saw). It was similar, yet opposite, to what he intended with the crash. You want to see the crash? I’ll give you the crash, worse than you can imagine. Want to see the hot girl give a sultry lap dance? Well, you’re not going to get it. Think about your wanting to see both those things afterward.

On a personal note, I love the scene with the shots of Chartruese. Chartruese is a shot my friends and I use as a badge of honor. If you drink it with us, you’re part of the group. And it is horribly foul. Think Aqua Velva with some black pepper mixed in. It’s great.

]]> by: J http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121743 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:45:12 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121743 I think Death Proof is a good movie and definitely the better film although not as much fun as Robert's. It makes some interesting comments on the genre, has incredible car and stunt work, and a good ending. But the reality is that the first half of the film is punch-yourself-in-the-face boring. So does the good stuff justify the boring stuff? Yes. But barely. The arguments that I've heard for the large amount of not-as-clever-as-it-thinks-it-is dialogue are that they make the characters round and make us care about the victims before they are slaughtered. Well, there's some merit to that but people have been making films for years with rounded characters that we care about without making the audience sit through forty five minutes of blowjob and pot smoking pseudo realistic Austin name dropping girl talk bullshit. I found the film to be good but definitely not great and ultimately pretty disappointing considering what the man's capable of. The film is extraordinarily indulgent and unfortunately his aesthetic doesn't work as well here as it does in, say, Kill Bill, which was pushing it in the first place. It's a strange thing because the "fuck everybody else" artist in me applauds Quentin's apathy for his fan base's perceptions but that doesn't change the fact that the talky parts did reach the point of being unbearable for me personally. But again the good parts are very good. The stunt work and car crash/chase sequences are amazing and girl power flip of the genre is well executed. I also was fortunate enough to have worked on the production which was probably the most fun job I'll ever have so I have to thank Robert and Quentin for that. And thanks to Heidi as well : ) I think Death Proof is a good movie and definitely the better film although not as much fun as Robert’s. It makes some interesting comments on the genre, has incredible car and stunt work, and a good ending. But the reality is that the first half of the film is punch-yourself-in-the-face boring. So does the good stuff justify the boring stuff? Yes. But barely. The arguments that I’ve heard for the large amount of not-as-clever-as-it-thinks-it-is dialogue are that they make the characters round and make us care about the victims before they are slaughtered. Well, there’s some merit to that but people have been making films for years with rounded characters that we care about without making the audience sit through forty five minutes of blowjob and pot smoking pseudo realistic Austin name dropping girl talk bullshit. I found the film to be good but definitely not great and ultimately pretty disappointing considering what the man’s capable of. The film is extraordinarily indulgent and unfortunately his aesthetic doesn’t work as well here as it does in, say, Kill Bill, which was pushing it in the first place.
It’s a strange thing because the “fuck everybody else” artist in me applauds Quentin’s apathy for his fan base’s perceptions but that doesn’t change the fact that the talky parts did reach the point of being unbearable for me personally.

But again the good parts are very good. The stunt work and car crash/chase sequences are amazing and girl power flip of the genre is well executed.

I also was fortunate enough to have worked on the production which was probably the most fun job I’ll ever have so I have to thank Robert and Quentin for that.

And thanks to Heidi as well : )

]]> by: Ralph Mathieu http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121680 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:38:08 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121680 I enjoyed all of Grindhouse also, but Death Proof got a stronger reaction out of me and this will be a movie that sticks with me for a long time. When I walked out of the theater I felt like I'd been on some kind of crazy rollercoaster. And I wasn't bored by the talky stuff in Death Proof because like others have said they make what happens later in the film have more impact (no pun intended). I enjoyed all of Grindhouse also, but Death Proof got a stronger reaction out of me and this will be a movie that sticks with me for a long time. When I walked out of the theater I felt like I’d been on some kind of crazy rollercoaster. And I wasn’t bored by the talky stuff in Death Proof because like others have said they make what happens later in the film have more impact (no pun intended).

]]> by: Adam http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121587 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:44:11 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121587 Nice wrap up, Heidi! But wasn't it "Chris Simonton," or "Simonson?" I think there was a joke about them calling him "Christan Science," or something. Masterson is that actor from "That 70's Show," starring the Kutch and future Eddie Brock Topher Grace. Still, as I said, nice wrap up! Nice wrap up, Heidi!
But wasn’t it “Chris Simonton,” or “Simonson?” I think there was a joke about them calling him “Christan Science,” or something. Masterson is that actor from “That 70’s Show,” starring the Kutch and future Eddie Brock Topher Grace. Still, as I said, nice wrap up!

]]> by: joncormier http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121554 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:23:22 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121554 Is it wrong that I'm more excited about the preview for "Hobo with a Shotgun" than I am for both movies? Some guys from my wife's hometown made that for the SBSW contest Rodreguez held and won the right to get some limited release as one of the previews between the double feature. Is it wrong that I’m more excited about the preview for “Hobo with a Shotgun” than I am for both movies? Some guys from my wife’s hometown made that for the SBSW contest Rodreguez held and won the right to get some limited release as one of the previews between the double feature.

]]> by: Jamie Coville http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121434 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:06:41 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121434 I loved every second of Grindhouse. No complaints what-so-ever. And I didn't see either story as being bad towards women either. And Rivkah, a lot of the movie was shot at Luling, Texas. The Texas Resturant was the Zedler Mill. http://millpictures.com/mills/details.cfm?millid=668 The mill is pretty run down now but the movie folks donated money for a restoration project. I loved every second of Grindhouse. No complaints what-so-ever. And I didn’t see either story as being bad towards women either.

And Rivkah, a lot of the movie was shot at Luling, Texas. The Texas Resturant was the Zedler Mill.

http://millpictures.com/mills/details.cfm?millid=668

The mill is pretty run down now but the movie folks donated money for a restoration project.

]]> by: Ian Boothby http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121155 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:13:02 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-121155 Death Proof was the stronger of the two films. Too often in slasher films the bad guy is a genius or superhuman and the women are there to be killed and we take a thrill from that. But this was a slasher who was weak. Who hurt and killed women because they can't fight back. And then having them fight back? Awesome. The audience expects a typical serial killer with a gimmick flick with only one woman maybe surviving at the end and a "is he still alive?" ending. But they work together as a team and show him up for the weak piece of crap he is and it's such a satisfying ride for the audience to come along with. The long dialogue scene needed to be there to make them rise above slasher flick stereotypes. It really worked for the audience I was with. "I'm okay!". Also the Edgar Wright "Don't" trailer was great. Death Proof was the stronger of the two films. Too often in slasher films the bad guy is a genius or superhuman and the women are there to be killed and we take a thrill from that. But this was a slasher who was weak. Who hurt and killed women because they can’t fight back. And then having them fight back? Awesome.
The audience expects a typical serial killer with a gimmick flick with only one woman maybe surviving at the end and a “is he still alive?” ending. But they work together as a team and show him up for the weak piece of crap he is and it’s such a satisfying ride for the audience to come along with. The long dialogue scene needed to be there to make them rise above slasher flick stereotypes. It really worked for the audience I was with. “I’m okay!”.
Also the Edgar Wright “Don’t” trailer was great.

]]> by: Matthew Bernier http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-120681 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:40:43 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-120681 If I'm reading this viewpoint wrong, I'd love if someone who holds it could correct me, but the arguments for Tarantino being a misoginist all seem to center around the fact that the female characters in his films, while stong and brave, seem to go through alot of shit. And so people think because he films women overcoming bad shit, he must like it when bad shit happens to women, therefore he's a misogynist. (Am I reading this all wrong? I don't want to make a strew man of people's views by misrepresenting them.) Anyhow, I don't quite get this line of reasoning. When I think of a misogyinist, I think of someone who thinks of women either as a: weak, or b: devious. Good women are faithful to your cock alone; women with strength can't be trusted. Tarantino's women compete with men on men's terms, and are never saved by, nor do they need, men. Furthermore, Tarantino's female characters show great, superhuman strength overcoming the hardships they face, and I can't picture anyone having the need to qualify their struggles with "Oh gee, I guess she's doing pretty good, for a woman." I find it really hard to imagine that a director who hated women would go to such great lengths to test and confirm his heroine's strength. You might say that the sheer severity of the tirals he puts his women through proves that he somehow delights in showing women being hurt. I don't buy that- I think Tarantino is a violent guy in general, and I think he also likes strong women, and I think he shows women respect by not treating them like delicate little flowers. Tarantino trusts his women characters- he KNOWS they won't wilt if he puts pressure on them. (Like a real misogynist's characters would.) This quailing about the women getting hurt- it sounds to me very old fashioned. "It's dangerous out here, little lady. Why don't you let the men handle the getting shot and stabbed, and why don't you go show your strength by doing something safe indoors, like reporgramming a computer?" Can you not show women actually getting hurt in any way without it being hateful to women? Even in battle? Isn't THAT a pretty sexist attitude? "Oh good God, he punched a GIRL!" Yeah, and she got back up and flattened the guy. Isn't that what feminism is about? If I’m reading this viewpoint wrong, I’d love if someone who holds it could correct me, but the arguments for Tarantino being a misoginist all seem to center around the fact that the female characters in his films, while stong and brave, seem to go through alot of shit. And so people think because he films women overcoming bad shit, he must like it when bad shit happens to women, therefore he’s a misogynist. (Am I reading this all wrong? I don’t want to make a strew man of people’s views by misrepresenting them.)

Anyhow, I don’t quite get this line of reasoning. When I think of a misogyinist, I think of someone who thinks of women either as a: weak, or b: devious. Good women are faithful to your cock alone; women with strength can’t be trusted. Tarantino’s women compete with men on men’s terms, and are never saved by, nor do they need, men. Furthermore, Tarantino’s female characters show great, superhuman strength overcoming the hardships they face, and I can’t picture anyone having the need to qualify their struggles with “Oh gee, I guess she’s doing pretty good, for a woman.” I find it really hard to imagine that a director who hated women would go to such great lengths to test and confirm his heroine’s strength.

You might say that the sheer severity of the tirals he puts his women through proves that he somehow delights in showing women being hurt. I don’t buy that- I think Tarantino is a violent guy in general, and I think he also likes strong women, and I think he shows women respect by not treating them like delicate little flowers. Tarantino trusts his women characters- he KNOWS they won’t wilt if he puts pressure on them. (Like a real misogynist’s characters would.) This quailing about the women getting hurt- it sounds to me very old fashioned. “It’s dangerous out here, little lady. Why don’t you let the men handle the getting shot and stabbed, and why don’t you go show your strength by doing something safe indoors, like reporgramming a computer?” Can you not show women actually getting hurt in any way without it being hateful to women? Even in battle? Isn’t THAT a pretty sexist attitude?

“Oh good God, he punched a GIRL!” Yeah, and she got back up and flattened the guy. Isn’t that what feminism is about?

]]> by: jimmy palmiotti http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-120669 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:32:13 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-120669 brian...all love and respect as always for you here my friend, just disagree is all. conversation... if we were in the same room, this would be fun, but since its written, it came off angry, which i wasnt at all. and yes...reading my post again, its a bit harsh. for that I totally apoligize...I was also reacting to another friends remarks...not so much aimed at you...but again, reading it again, its too harsh and seems totally aimed at you and that was wrong of me. that said...and me humbled as i should be, I think tarentino did " his " version of groundhouse and it differered from the first movie. I agree with you there. no scratches in the film and what not...and the only real over the top think in it was the actual crash.but i think thats his experience brought to his film. still...i actually expected more madness but enjoyed each film like a different flavor of the same type of cake. we agree to disagree all good and healthy to take different experiences from the same film. JIMMY brian…all love and respect as always for you here my friend, just disagree is all. conversation… if we were in the same room, this would be fun, but since its written, it came off angry, which i wasnt at all.

and yes…reading my post again, its a bit harsh. for that I totally apoligize…I was also reacting to another friends remarks…not so much aimed at you…but again, reading it again, its too harsh and seems totally aimed at you and that was wrong of me.

that said…and me humbled as i should be, I think tarentino did ” his ” version of groundhouse and it differered from the first movie. I agree with you there. no scratches in the film and what not…and the only real over the top think in it was the actual crash.but i think thats his experience brought to his film.

still…i actually expected more madness but enjoyed each film like a different flavor of the same type of cake.

we agree to disagree

all good and healthy to take different experiences from the same film.
JIMMY

]]> by: Avatar http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-120646 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:20:06 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/08/grindhouse-who-needs-chris-masterson/#comment-120646 I just have to agree with Dino and jimmy. I thought that both RR and QT know what they were doing, and what kind of reactions they would get from this double feature, that without a doubt nails what they were triying to do.. i mean, if it is about B-moves, Z-movies and Explotations movies, what could be then expected from grindhouse?.... -A I just have to agree with Dino and jimmy.

I thought that both RR and QT know what they were doing, and what kind of reactions they would get from this double feature, that without a doubt nails what they were triying to do.. i mean, if it is about B-moves, Z-movies and Explotations movies, what could be then expected from grindhouse?….

-A

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