Comments on: Oh crap! Marvel U. changing AGAIN!!!??? http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:05:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Camino a Siege 1: Avengers Disassembled | El blog de Oscar Gallo http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-3679035 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:15:37 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-3679035 [...] Cuando pensaba en como escribir el post sobre Siege, el evento que ya deberia cerrar el Dark Reign de Marvel, pensaba que era necesaria una retrospectiva de los megaeventos de esta década que llevaron a la situación general de este universo de ficción, ademas de configurar el negocio editorial comiquero en una de las dos más grandes compañías en el rubro. Me pareció relevante hacer un repaso de lo que ha ocurrido en la llamada era Bendis, porque estos eventos siempre se han promocionado como aquellos que “cambiarán el rostro del Universo Marvel PARA SIEMPRE“, además de ser bastante cuestionados en su desarrollo por cuestiones de ritmo, continuidad, caracterización, etc. Veremos qué tan cierto resultó al final. [...] […] Cuando pensaba en como escribir el post sobre Siege, el evento que ya deberia cerrar el Dark Reign de Marvel, pensaba que era necesaria una retrospectiva de los megaeventos de esta década que llevaron a la situación general de este universo de ficción, ademas de configurar el negocio editorial comiquero en una de las dos más grandes compañías en el rubro. Me pareció relevante hacer un repaso de lo que ha ocurrido en la llamada era Bendis, porque estos eventos siempre se han promocionado como aquellos que “cambiarán el rostro del Universo Marvel PARA SIEMPRE“, además de ser bastante cuestionados en su desarrollo por cuestiones de ritmo, continuidad, caracterización, etc. Veremos qué tan cierto resultó al final. […]

]]> by: Mike Phillips http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-163651 Mon, 21 May 2007 15:09:43 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-163651 "How many times can you change direction and still claim to HAVE a direction…?" Great point Paul! I completely agree. “How many times can you change direction and still claim to HAVE a direction…?”

Great point Paul! I completely agree.

]]> by: BradyDale http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-163596 Mon, 21 May 2007 13:32:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-163596 Ah well, what the heck. I'm sure it won't rock my world all that much but I'll still like it. That's the funny thing about comics. Things stop being surprising once returning from the dead becomes routine, but you still love them. I love comics when the stories are good or fun or interesting. I don't buy them for the big crazy "revelations." But... you gotta make headlines in the comics press. Who's annoyed that Hawkeye came back? But, hey, Hulk's going to beat everyone up so that's exciting as can be! Ah well, what the heck. I’m sure it won’t rock my world all that much but I’ll still like it. That’s the funny thing about comics. Things stop being surprising once returning from the dead becomes routine, but you still love them.

I love comics when the stories are good or fun or interesting. I don’t buy them for the big crazy “revelations.” But… you gotta make headlines in the comics press.

Who’s annoyed that Hawkeye came back? But, hey, Hulk’s going to beat everyone up so that’s exciting as can be!

]]> by: Chris Eckert http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-163326 Mon, 21 May 2007 08:13:09 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-163326 If by "Alexander Luthor" you mean "Nick Fury" then I get the feeling you will get your wish. I mean they're both dudes, that's close enough right? If by “Alexander Luthor” you mean “Nick Fury” then I get the feeling you will get your wish. I mean they’re both dudes, that’s close enough right?

]]> by: AERose http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-162739 Sun, 20 May 2007 22:30:30 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-162739 I'm holding out for the appearance of Alexander Luthor as the architect of everything that's going on in the Marvel U. I’m holding out for the appearance of Alexander Luthor as the architect of everything that’s going on in the Marvel U.

]]> by: Mary Hildebrandt http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-162452 Sun, 20 May 2007 16:41:46 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-162452 With the end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count (Maya Calendar) December 21, 2012, Galactic Alignment which occurs only once every 26,000 years (yes, we're moving closer to the Dark Rift in the Milky Way), a steady and significant weakening in the strength of the Earth's magnetic field and the shift in the Earth's magnetic poles, reverse or negative sunspot activity and much more in both the physical and metaphysical worlds happening, how could there not be change in the Marvel Universe??? I am not an avid reader of Superhero Comics (I used to read some) but I do read a lot about Physical and Metaphysical Cosmology, Cultural Myth (currently Mayans and Egyptians), Legends and Religions, Exopolitics, Ufology, Literature (love Goethe)! I'd mention more but I may sound crazy already...wait, I am crazy! But writing and illustrating Manga (Evergrey and Yaru) how could I or any creator for that matter not be affected, influenced or inspired by all the universal change that's constantly occurring? I would even say that we'll be seeing (movies, television, DVD, internet) and reading (comic books, books papers, internet) works that incorporate a lot more of the extraordinary and awe-inspiring changes that are happening at this and every moment! Life imitates art (Oscar Wilde) or art imitates life... OK...I know...too much information...or maybe not enough! With the end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count (Maya Calendar) December 21, 2012, Galactic Alignment which occurs only once every 26,000 years (yes, we’re moving closer to the Dark Rift in the Milky Way), a steady and significant weakening in the strength of the Earth’s magnetic field and the shift in the Earth’s magnetic poles, reverse or negative sunspot activity and much more in both the physical and metaphysical worlds happening, how could there not be change in the Marvel Universe???

I am not an avid reader of Superhero Comics (I used to read some) but I do read a lot about Physical and Metaphysical Cosmology, Cultural Myth (currently Mayans and Egyptians), Legends and Religions, Exopolitics, Ufology, Literature (love Goethe)! I’d mention more but I may sound crazy already…wait, I am crazy! But writing and illustrating Manga (Evergrey and Yaru) how could I or any creator for that matter not be affected, influenced or inspired by all the universal change that’s constantly occurring?

I would even say that we’ll be seeing (movies, television, DVD, internet) and reading (comic books, books papers, internet) works that incorporate a lot more of the extraordinary and awe-inspiring changes that are happening at this and every moment! Life imitates art (Oscar Wilde) or art imitates life…

OK…I know…too much information…or maybe not enough!

]]> by: Avi Green http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-162200 Sun, 20 May 2007 12:00:33 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-162200 Sheesh, it's just as I thought, that "splog site" called 120host has been siphoning content from my own blog again. <a href="http://fourcolormedmon.blogspot.com/2007/04/log-of-splog.html" rel="nofollow">I wrote a post about 120host over here once.</a> I wish I knew of a way to stop the sploggers running that silly server from doing that, but I have no idea how. Sheesh, it’s just as I thought, that “splog site” called 120host has been siphoning content from my own blog again. I wrote a post about 120host over here once. I wish I knew of a way to stop the sploggers running that silly server from doing that, but I have no idea how.

]]> by: G-Regal http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161751 Sun, 20 May 2007 00:27:57 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161751 I think the last panel is the infamous Mary Jane Statue, brought into continuity I think the last panel is the infamous Mary Jane Statue, brought into continuity

]]> by: News and commentary about comics » Marvel Universe changes, and changes, and changes again http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161744 Sun, 20 May 2007 00:14:39 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161744 [...] But who&#8217;s to know if it&#8217;s ever going to be for the better? According to this small press clip The Beat blog has: Everything has been leading up to one revelation that will rock the Marvel Universe at its very core. There are no coincidences. There are no heroes who won’t be affected. There is no escape. When you’ve finished reading New Avengers #31, you’ll realize why this is the one issue you just can’t miss. The superstar creative team of Brian Michael Bendis and Leinil Francis Yu have been thrilling critics and fans alike with their new direction for New Avengers, but you never saw the last page of this issue coming! [...] […] But who’s to know if it’s ever going to be for the better? According to this small press clip The Beat blog has: Everything has been leading up to one revelation that will rock the Marvel Universe at its very core. There are no coincidences. There are no heroes who won’t be affected. There is no escape. When you’ve finished reading New Avengers #31, you’ll realize why this is the one issue you just can’t miss. The superstar creative team of Brian Michael Bendis and Leinil Francis Yu have been thrilling critics and fans alike with their new direction for New Avengers, but you never saw the last page of this issue coming! […]

]]> by: Kelson http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161723 Sat, 19 May 2007 23:55:10 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161723 <blockquote>Yes, hyperbole is cliche. It’s advertising. It makes you look, and then it’s up to you to judge the product.</blockquote> The problem is that after a while, it stops making you look. That's the point I've reached. If I weren't reading <i>Flash</i> already, the "everything changes!" card wouldn't get me interested in picking it up. What got me to look at <i>Countdown</i> wasn't that they were setting up yet another big cataclysm, but that I was curious about exploring the new multiverse (which they hinted would be involved), and I wanted to see what they did with Pied Piper and Trickster. The big cataclysm aspect didn't contribute to me picking it up... and it almost got me to put it down.

Yes, hyperbole is cliche. It’s advertising. It makes you look, and then it’s up to you to judge the product.

The problem is that after a while, it stops making you look.

That’s the point I’ve reached. If I weren’t reading Flash already, the “everything changes!” card wouldn’t get me interested in picking it up. What got me to look at Countdown wasn’t that they were setting up yet another big cataclysm, but that I was curious about exploring the new multiverse (which they hinted would be involved), and I wanted to see what they did with Pied Piper and Trickster.

The big cataclysm aspect didn’t contribute to me picking it up… and it almost got me to put it down.

]]> by: The Four Color Media Monitor http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161630 Sat, 19 May 2007 21:24:07 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161630 <strong>Marvel Universe changes, and changes, and changes...</strong> But who's to know if it's ever going to be for the better? According to this small press clip The Beat blog has:... Marvel Universe changes, and changes, and changes…

But who’s to know if it’s ever going to be for the better? According to this small press clip The Beat blog has:…

]]> by: HABE http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161441 Sat, 19 May 2007 17:13:34 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-161441 Iron Man just saved a bundle on car insurance! Iron Man just saved a bundle on car insurance!

]]> by: Torsten Adair http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160898 Sat, 19 May 2007 05:50:40 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160898 Ah, but with the new layout at DC, there are different universes to end. Yes, hyperbole is cliche. It's advertising. It makes you look, and then it's up to you to judge the product. Both Marvel and DC have to tell a lot of good stories this next year. Gone are the days of inventory stories, of some villain robbing a bank and the hero having to find a way to stop the villain, of conflict without change. Just don't change the way the character acts. Superman can be a solar battery, a giant electromagnet, even powerless, yet his resolve and morals will stay the same. Change THAT, and face the wrath of the fans. Ah, but with the new layout at DC, there are different universes to end.
Yes, hyperbole is cliche. It’s advertising. It makes you look, and then it’s up to you to judge the product.
Both Marvel and DC have to tell a lot of good stories this next year. Gone are the days of inventory stories, of some villain robbing a bank and the hero having to find a way to stop the villain, of conflict without change.
Just don’t change the way the character acts. Superman can be a solar battery, a giant electromagnet, even powerless, yet his resolve and morals will stay the same. Change THAT, and face the wrath of the fans.

]]> by: Kelson http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160661 Sat, 19 May 2007 02:42:38 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160661 From a DC perspective, this is why the upcoming solicits for <i>Flash</i> have <a href="http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/archives/2007/04/16/flash-and-tangent/" rel="nofollow">left me cold</a>, despite the fact that the series has been getting better with each issue. There's only so often you can pull the "everything changes forever!" card before fatigue sets in and it ceases to have any impact -- and they've pulled it in the solicits for both #12 and #14, just a year after a relaunch that got rid of the previous Flash, aged the new Flash 4 years overnight, and moved him to a new city. Same with the setup for <i>Countdown</i>. The stuff with the Rogues is fun, but the universe is in mortal danger <em>again</em>? Right after <i>52</i> and <i>Infinite Crisis</i>? Enough, already! From a DC perspective, this is why the upcoming solicits for Flash have left me cold, despite the fact that the series has been getting better with each issue. There’s only so often you can pull the “everything changes forever!” card before fatigue sets in and it ceases to have any impact — and they’ve pulled it in the solicits for both #12 and #14, just a year after a relaunch that got rid of the previous Flash, aged the new Flash 4 years overnight, and moved him to a new city.

Same with the setup for Countdown. The stuff with the Rogues is fun, but the universe is in mortal danger again? Right after 52 and Infinite Crisis? Enough, already!

]]> by: Sphinx Magoo http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160540 Sat, 19 May 2007 01:40:33 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160540 I once met Stanley Aaron, the man who used to write the copy for the Bullpen Bulletins for Marvel Comics back in the day. He was very kind to a 6th grader who went to Marvel looking for a job. (I even spotted Morrie Kuramoto and Marie Severin.) I suspect Mr. Aaron's not writing these cliched lines I once met Stanley Aaron, the man who used to write the copy for the Bullpen Bulletins for Marvel Comics back in the day. He was very kind to a 6th grader who went to Marvel looking for a job. (I even spotted Morrie Kuramoto and Marie Severin.) I suspect Mr. Aaron’s not writing these cliched lines

]]> by: Erik http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160351 Fri, 18 May 2007 22:58:28 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160351 Who's the ad wizard that came up with that one? Who’s the ad wizard that came up with that one?

]]> by: Paul O'Brien http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160336 Fri, 18 May 2007 22:43:29 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160336 How many times can you change direction and still claim to HAVE a direction...? How many times can you change direction and still claim to HAVE a direction…?

]]> by: William K. Scurry Jr. http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160288 Fri, 18 May 2007 22:05:30 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160288 Is there anyone left to kill? Is there anyone left to kill?

]]> by: Matt M. http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160232 Fri, 18 May 2007 21:28:49 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160232 I hear Cap is coming back... I hear Cap is coming back…

]]> by: Philip Looney http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160156 Fri, 18 May 2007 20:43:23 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160156 IT MIGHT BREAK THE INTERNET IN HALF! AGAIN!!! Seriously, I like hyperbole as uch as anyone but this is ridiculous. IT MIGHT BREAK THE INTERNET IN HALF! AGAIN!!!

Seriously, I like hyperbole as uch as anyone but this is ridiculous.

]]> by: Erik http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160152 Fri, 18 May 2007 20:40:28 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160152 Couldn't it be argued that any change that is made in said universe could be a change that semantically "would change the Marvel universe forever"? Couldn’t it be argued that any change that is made in said universe could be a change that semantically “would change the Marvel universe forever”?

]]> by: Steven http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160146 Fri, 18 May 2007 20:37:36 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/18/oh-crap-marvel-u-changing-again/#comment-160146 <a href="http://roar-of-comics.blogspot.com/2007/05/nothing-will-be-same.html" rel="nofollow">This has given me... ideas.</a> This has given me… ideas.

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