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	<title>Comments on: Missed it: Adam Hughes speaks on the Mary Jane Statue!</title>
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		<title>by: Claude Zhang</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-914146</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Sirs,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sirs,</p>
<p>Good day! How are you?</p>
<p>RE: Export Fertilizers </p>
<p>Calcium Ammonium Nitrate / Calcium Nitrate / Nitrogen Phosphor Potassium Compound Fertilizer / Natural Fertilizer</p>
<p>Please allow me to introduce our company and the products to you. As a special manufacturer and exporter of above products, we have for many years been exporters of above products, due to superior quality and competitive prices, we have established business relation with many clients from all over the world. And we always get good feedback from old and new clients.</p>
<p>Refer to the Calcium Ammonium Nitrate and the Calcium Nitrate, it is white or grey granular which dissolves in water absolutely. It is a new type high-efficient compound fertilizer. It contains nitrogen and calcium, and also supplies nitrogen to plant quickly, the nutrition is more than ammonium nitrate, and can be absorbed by the plant directly. This product is a neutral fertilizer and can improve the quality of soil. It can change the PH value of the soil, loosen the soil, reduce the density of active aluminium. Meanwhile, it offers water soluble calcium and improves the resistance to the disease of plant. It can lengthen the florescence, promote the root, stem, leaf to grow normally. Ensuring the color of the fruit is bright and sweeten the fruit.</p>
<p>They are suitable for many kinds of soil and crops, applied to the cereal crops, flowers, fruit plants, vegetables etc. in green house and large-area farm land. Nitrate Nitrogen in the Calcium Ammonium Nitrate can dissolve in water rapidly and be absorbed in soil directly!</p>
<p>Refer to the Nitrogen Phosphor Potassium Compound Fertilizer, it is soluble in water absolutely. It has the characteristics of high-efficient, water-saving, energy-saving. It can help the soil and plant to absorb the Nitrogen, Phosphor, Potassium quickly. This product is a neutral fertilizer and can improve the quality of soil. It can lengthen the florescence,. Promote the root, stem, leaf to grow normally, and sweeten the fruit.</p>
<p>It is suitable for many kinds of soil and crops, applied to the cereal crops, flowers, fruit plants, vegetables etc. It can be used as jet irrigation and in the soil directly. It also can be mixed with other pesticide.</p>
<p>If you have any interest about our products, please feel free to contact us and we will do our best to meet your requirement!</p>
<p>Expecting the cooperation with you!</p>
<p>Yours faithfully,<br />
Claude Zhang<br />
Department 3</p>
<p>Name: Wuhan Golden Wing Industry &amp; Trade Co., Ltd<br />
Add: FengDi industry park NO.1304 JinShan Avenue, Wuhan, China<br />
Tel:  0086 27 83247912 0086 27 83247927<br />
Fax:  0086 27 83247810<br />
Post code: 430023<br />
E-mail: <a href="mailto:chemical@golden-wing.cn">chemical@golden-wing.cn</a>
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		<title>by: Picture Cute Long Hair Style</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-531458</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-531458</guid>
					<description>I\'m not a commenter to blogs in general, but your article on Missed it: Adam Hughes speaks on the Mary Jane Statue! really caught my eye.  I had been looking for information on Picture Cute Long Hair Style on Ask.com, and was intrigued by the link to here.  Good job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I\&#8217;m not a commenter to blogs in general, but your article on Missed it: Adam Hughes speaks on the Mary Jane Statue! really caught my eye.  I had been looking for information on Picture Cute Long Hair Style on Ask.com, and was intrigued by the link to here.  Good job!
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		<title>by: exsmoker</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-442772</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-442772</guid>
					<description>Hello All, 
 
I was reading around some of the posts here and I found interesting things that you guys talk about, I just made a blog about quitting smoking resources and ideas that you might want to check out. 
If someone is interested in this topic just go to; http://endthehabitnow.blogspot.com and let me know what you think. Your honest feedback would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello All, </p>
<p>I was reading around some of the posts here and I found interesting things that you guys talk about, I just made a blog about quitting smoking resources and ideas that you might want to check out.<br />
If someone is interested in this topic just go to; <a href='http://endthehabitnow.blogspot.com' rel='nofollow'>http://endthehabitnow.blogspot.com</a> and let me know what you think. Your honest feedback would be greatly appreciated.<br />
Thanks in advance.
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		<title>by: ethan</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-183088</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-183088</guid>
					<description>i really like the original hughes did now that i look at it from the perspective he described. the statue is awful but i'd love to have the original image (above). anyone know where i can find it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really like the original hughes did now that i look at it from the perspective he described. the statue is awful but i&#8217;d love to have the original image (above). anyone know where i can find it?
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		<title>by: Angry Zen Master &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Heard &#8216;Round teh Interwebs&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-177947</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-177947</guid>
					<description>[...] Adam Hughes speaks up about his MJ statuette design - The Beat [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Adam Hughes speaks up about his MJ statuette design - The Beat [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: TEN JACK TEN &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Of Interest - 5/25/07</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-169309</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 16:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-169309</guid>
					<description>[...] Over at The Beat, Heidi MacDonald clubs the issue baby-seal-style here, here, here, and here. Although it all seems like a variation of &amp;#8220;I don&amp;#8217;t think this should be allowed to exist.&amp;#8221;  Hey, nobody listened to me when I objected to the existence of boy bands and the horrible teenage squealing they produced. Fulminating over the objectification or inferred servitude of a fictional character is just as silly. LINK [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Over at The Beat, Heidi MacDonald clubs the issue baby-seal-style here, here, here, and here. Although it all seems like a variation of &#8220;I don&#8217;t think this should be allowed to exist.&#8221;  Hey, nobody listened to me when I objected to the existence of boy bands and the horrible teenage squealing they produced. Fulminating over the objectification or inferred servitude of a fictional character is just as silly. LINK [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: michael</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-168495</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 01:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-168495</guid>
					<description>oddly, i find the pic of that pose to not be as offensive as the statue.

that said, Adam may sound like he doesn't realize the sexuality he brings to virtually every pic he does, but that would mean he's an idiot.  even his website (the link provided) does it tongue in cheek with, AH 'does' whichever character he draws next.

he knows that all he creates his stuff to tantalize hormones.  i'd really like to see his facial expressions when answering these types of questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oddly, i find the pic of that pose to not be as offensive as the statue.</p>
<p>that said, Adam may sound like he doesn&#8217;t realize the sexuality he brings to virtually every pic he does, but that would mean he&#8217;s an idiot.  even his website (the link provided) does it tongue in cheek with, AH &#8216;does&#8217; whichever character he draws next.</p>
<p>he knows that all he creates his stuff to tantalize hormones.  i&#8217;d really like to see his facial expressions when answering these types of questions.
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		<title>by: rich</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167901</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 12:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167901</guid>
					<description>&quot;Hrmm… now I’m just appalled by how off-model the sculpt is. It doesn’t do justice to Hughes’ design at all.&quot;

Good point.  The Hughes illustration is silly, and his explanation for the scene (Mary Jane playfully discovered the costume in the laundry) doesn't come across.  But the actual sculpture is pretty bad.  Whoever sculpted it changed her hair style, amplified the pose ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hrmm… now I’m just appalled by how off-model the sculpt is. It doesn’t do justice to Hughes’ design at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point.  The Hughes illustration is silly, and his explanation for the scene (Mary Jane playfully discovered the costume in the laundry) doesn&#8217;t come across.  But the actual sculpture is pretty bad.  Whoever sculpted it changed her hair style, amplified the pose &#8230;
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		<title>by: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167659</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 07:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167659</guid>
					<description>Hrmm... now I'm just appalled by how off-model the sculpt is.  It doesn't do justice to Hughes' design at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrmm&#8230; now I&#8217;m just appalled by how off-model the sculpt is.  It doesn&#8217;t do justice to Hughes&#8217; design at all.
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		<title>by: Skipper Pickle</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167590</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 05:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167590</guid>
					<description>@Anonymous: You are beating a drum i did not hand you (q.v., &quot;and I don’t really have a good reason for doing so&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonymous: You are beating a drum i did not hand you (q.v., &#8220;and I don’t really have a good reason for doing so&#8221;).
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		<title>by: Christopher Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167487</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167487</guid>
					<description>Hmm, didn't hit the stop button in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, didn&#8217;t hit the stop button in time.
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		<title>by: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167486</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167486</guid>
					<description>Paul O'Brien:

&quot;The original commenter was making the audacious claim that a collectible statue of Mary Jane Watson bending over to show off her ass was part of the proud tradition of challenging art. Art, in that sense, may be a nebulous concept, but it’s not THAT nebulous.&quot;

To be accurate, I didn't mention the Mary Jane statue in my original post at all. I was merely talking about the assertions of earlier commenters that &quot;self-censorship&quot; was somehow &quot;polite.&quot;

You were the one who asked me if that particular statue was art. And my answer was that as a three-dimensional representation of a fictional character, yes, I thought that it met the minimum definition of a work of art. Anything above and beyond that is purely the product of your own interpretation, as &quot;audacious&quot; as it may have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul O&#8217;Brien:</p>
<p>&#8220;The original commenter was making the audacious claim that a collectible statue of Mary Jane Watson bending over to show off her ass was part of the proud tradition of challenging art. Art, in that sense, may be a nebulous concept, but it’s not THAT nebulous.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be accurate, I didn&#8217;t mention the Mary Jane statue in my original post at all. I was merely talking about the assertions of earlier commenters that &#8220;self-censorship&#8221; was somehow &#8220;polite.&#8221;</p>
<p>You were the one who asked me if that particular statue was art. And my answer was that as a three-dimensional representation of a fictional character, yes, I thought that it met the minimum definition of a work of art. Anything above and beyond that is purely the product of your own interpretation, as &#8220;audacious&#8221; as it may have been.
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		<title>by: Christopher Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167480</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167480</guid>
					<description>@Alan Coil:  Very well said. I don't think I mind the MJ statue all that much (then again, I'm not a woman) but I'm offended at how counterproductive it is to the garnering of respect toward our field. It seems that every time we bring new people into comics stores, we place things in front of them that just make them want to walk right back out, without taking a good look around at all the wonderful things that are being offered. Whether it be Women, Christians, Children or whatever, we always seem to have the right oversized poster (or other such promotional object) to alienate them, and for what? Every time I see this happen, the fraze that crosses my mind goes something like, &quot;Hey, knock your shit off.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alan Coil:  Very well said. I don&#8217;t think I mind the MJ statue all that much (then again, I&#8217;m not a woman) but I&#8217;m offended at how counterproductive it is to the garnering of respect toward our field. It seems that every time we bring new people into comics stores, we place things in front of them that just make them want to walk right back out, without taking a good look around at all the wonderful things that are being offered. Whether it be Women, Christians, Children or whatever, we always seem to have the right oversized poster (or other such promotional object) to alienate them, and for what? Every time I see this happen, the fraze that crosses my mind goes something like, &#8220;Hey, knock your shit off.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Christopher Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167479</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167479</guid>
					<description>@Alan Coil:  Very well said. I don't think I mind the MJ statue all that much (then again, I'm not a woman) but I'm offended at how counterproductive it is to the garnering of respect toward our field. It seems that every time we bring new people into comics stores, we place things in front of them that just make them want to walk right back out, without taking a good look around at all the wonderful things that are being offered. Whether it be Women, Christians, Children or whatever, we always seem to have the right oversized poster (or other such promotional object) to alienate them, and for what? Every time I see this happen, the fraze that crosses my mind goes something like, &quot;Hey, cut your bull shit out.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alan Coil:  Very well said. I don&#8217;t think I mind the MJ statue all that much (then again, I&#8217;m not a woman) but I&#8217;m offended at how counterproductive it is to the garnering of respect toward our field. It seems that every time we bring new people into comics stores, we place things in front of them that just make them want to walk right back out, without taking a good look around at all the wonderful things that are being offered. Whether it be Women, Christians, Children or whatever, we always seem to have the right oversized poster (or other such promotional object) to alienate them, and for what? Every time I see this happen, the fraze that crosses my mind goes something like, &#8220;Hey, cut your bull shit out.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Alan Coil</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167376</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 01:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's not just this statue, it's the continual practice of making the female characters all look like they have sex addictions.

We have just had the release of the 3rd very successful Spider-Man movie, bringing millions of people to the realization that comics still exist. This continual over-sexualization of the characters tells casual viewers that comic book fans think all women are sluts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just this statue, it&#8217;s the continual practice of making the female characters all look like they have sex addictions.</p>
<p>We have just had the release of the 3rd very successful Spider-Man movie, bringing millions of people to the realization that comics still exist. This continual over-sexualization of the characters tells casual viewers that comic book fans think all women are sluts.
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		<title>by: Brad</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167353</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 00:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Think about it like this:

DC wouldn't do a Lois statue like this.

See the point?  By allowing multiple interpretations of a now very popular (and easily identifiable) character, Marvel opens itself up to these types of interpretations.  I think they could have done this ten years ago (5?) and no one would have blinked.  But now mj is MJ.  Everyone is saying &quot;Oh it's just Bettie Page&quot; but MJ is not Bettie Page.  So make a Bettie statue.  See?

What will be real interesting is whether Marvel does kill/disintegrate/shrink Mary Jane in &quot;One More Day.&quot;  Whether it's a great story or not, if they do get rid of her, it seems to be a  further admission that you &quot;can't&quot; have a strong female character in comics who isn't a victim.  There's a lot more you could say about that and arrested adolescence and so on but I'm probably there, too so I won't.  But if JQ says you can't write good stories with MJ in the picture; well, try other writers.

-Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about it like this:</p>
<p>DC wouldn&#8217;t do a Lois statue like this.</p>
<p>See the point?  By allowing multiple interpretations of a now very popular (and easily identifiable) character, Marvel opens itself up to these types of interpretations.  I think they could have done this ten years ago (5?) and no one would have blinked.  But now mj is MJ.  Everyone is saying &#8220;Oh it&#8217;s just Bettie Page&#8221; but MJ is not Bettie Page.  So make a Bettie statue.  See?</p>
<p>What will be real interesting is whether Marvel does kill/disintegrate/shrink Mary Jane in &#8220;One More Day.&#8221;  Whether it&#8217;s a great story or not, if they do get rid of her, it seems to be a  further admission that you &#8220;can&#8217;t&#8221; have a strong female character in comics who isn&#8217;t a victim.  There&#8217;s a lot more you could say about that and arrested adolescence and so on but I&#8217;m probably there, too so I won&#8217;t.  But if JQ says you can&#8217;t write good stories with MJ in the picture; well, try other writers.</p>
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		<title>by: Paul O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167264</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 22:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jonathan: I genuinely have no idea what you think &quot;art&quot; means.  If you truly believe that there's no valid distinction between &quot;art&quot; and &quot;not art&quot;, I can't understand why you think it's so important that comics should be recognised as &quot;true art.&quot;  You can't have it both ways.

The original commenter was making the audacious claim that a collectible statue of Mary Jane Watson bending over to show off her ass was part of the proud tradition of challenging art.  Art, in that sense, may be a nebulous concept, but it's not THAT nebulous.

Eric: This is a perfectly valid question, but the answer is that religious freedom is based on the notion of mutual tolerance.  If your justification for censorship is nothing more than &quot;I don't like it and my god agrees with me&quot; then you're attempting to impose your beliefs on others, and that's against the ground rules of our society.  Obviously, if you can point to another justification on top of your religious beliefs, then that's another matter.  Equally, you're perfectly free to try and persuade me of the error of my ways, as long as you leave me with the choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan: I genuinely have no idea what you think &#8220;art&#8221; means.  If you truly believe that there&#8217;s no valid distinction between &#8220;art&#8221; and &#8220;not art&#8221;, I can&#8217;t understand why you think it&#8217;s so important that comics should be recognised as &#8220;true art.&#8221;  You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>The original commenter was making the audacious claim that a collectible statue of Mary Jane Watson bending over to show off her ass was part of the proud tradition of challenging art.  Art, in that sense, may be a nebulous concept, but it&#8217;s not THAT nebulous.</p>
<p>Eric: This is a perfectly valid question, but the answer is that religious freedom is based on the notion of mutual tolerance.  If your justification for censorship is nothing more than &#8220;I don&#8217;t like it and my god agrees with me&#8221; then you&#8217;re attempting to impose your beliefs on others, and that&#8217;s against the ground rules of our society.  Obviously, if you can point to another justification on top of your religious beliefs, then that&#8217;s another matter.  Equally, you&#8217;re perfectly free to try and persuade me of the error of my ways, as long as you leave me with the choice.
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		<title>by: universalperson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 22:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tony Bedard, it might be a joke to you.

Thank god I dropped Leigon of Superheroes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony Bedard, it might be a joke to you.</p>
<p>Thank god I dropped Leigon of Superheroes.
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		<title>by: rich</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/23/missed-it-adam-hughes-speaks/#comment-167154</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Why not nice and naughty and a full range of possibilities in between and beyond? Why not, indeed. Let a thousand representations bloom.&quot;

[standing ovation] ... Damn, that was well-typed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why not nice and naughty and a full range of possibilities in between and beyond? Why not, indeed. Let a thousand representations bloom.&#8221;</p>
<p>[standing ovation] &#8230; Damn, that was well-typed!
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		<title>by: Jonathan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Are you seriously suggesting that that statue is Art - or even that it has any pretensions to be?&quot;

To Paul O'Brien:  Yes, *I* would say that it is certainly &quot;art.&quot;  And if you're going to seriously think that you have some absolute yard stick for what is and isn't art, then truly you render yourself irrelevant.  If you think you have some authority on what art is then I have to ask how you respond to the very large segment of society that would contend that Will Eisner or Jack Kirby were not artists.  For a firestorm of debate within this particular community that has struggled hard to be accepted as true art, you demean all of the hard people's work to lift up this art form that have to defend themselves to people with a similar claim as your's: to know what is and isn't art.



&quot;Who has the right to determine that their complaints are merit-less?&quot;

To Eric:  How about: the American justice system?  People being offended by artwork and claiming it is obscene has a long history, whether it's snapshots of Bettie Page or an exhibition by Robert Mapplethorpe.  This country's Constitution has a central, fundamental concept:  your rights end when they infringe upon the rights of another.  Ergo, if I want to produce art that you or may not be offended by, I have the right to do so.  Now I fully concede that no one has discussed or even hinted at litigation over this statue, however your premise that there is no one that can determine the value of another's claim is flawed.  


I'm giving up on responding to all the comments directly that I see with glaring logical errors in them (on all sides of this issue), so I'll wrap up by saying:  Once again, Marvel and DC provide terrible role models for pre-adolescent minds in terms of gender roles, abilities, and expectations.  That being said I still think I'd like to have one of those statues in my home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are you seriously suggesting that that statue is Art - or even that it has any pretensions to be?&#8221;</p>
<p>To Paul O&#8217;Brien:  Yes, *I* would say that it is certainly &#8220;art.&#8221;  And if you&#8217;re going to seriously think that you have some absolute yard stick for what is and isn&#8217;t art, then truly you render yourself irrelevant.  If you think you have some authority on what art is then I have to ask how you respond to the very large segment of society that would contend that Will Eisner or Jack Kirby were not artists.  For a firestorm of debate within this particular community that has struggled hard to be accepted as true art, you demean all of the hard people&#8217;s work to lift up this art form that have to defend themselves to people with a similar claim as your&#8217;s: to know what is and isn&#8217;t art.</p>
<p>&#8220;Who has the right to determine that their complaints are merit-less?&#8221;</p>
<p>To Eric:  How about: the American justice system?  People being offended by artwork and claiming it is obscene has a long history, whether it&#8217;s snapshots of Bettie Page or an exhibition by Robert Mapplethorpe.  This country&#8217;s Constitution has a central, fundamental concept:  your rights end when they infringe upon the rights of another.  Ergo, if I want to produce art that you or may not be offended by, I have the right to do so.  Now I fully concede that no one has discussed or even hinted at litigation over this statue, however your premise that there is no one that can determine the value of another&#8217;s claim is flawed.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m giving up on responding to all the comments directly that I see with glaring logical errors in them (on all sides of this issue), so I&#8217;ll wrap up by saying:  Once again, Marvel and DC provide terrible role models for pre-adolescent minds in terms of gender roles, abilities, and expectations.  That being said I still think I&#8217;d like to have one of those statues in my home.
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