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	<title>Comments on: Batgirl: Times change</title>
	<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/</link>
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		<title>by: Rod1Million</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-396507</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-396507</guid>
					<description>SHOWCASE PRESENTS: BATGIRL  IS GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS CAMP , JUST LIKE THE TV AND COMICS STORIES WERE! IT TOLD ME ...S#IT ! DC GETS IT!!!  ALL OF YOU THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT ..DONT GET IT...BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR PAIN...THATS WHY THERE SHOULD BE VARIANT COVERS SO EVERYONE WINS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHOWCASE PRESENTS: BATGIRL  IS GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS CAMP , JUST LIKE THE TV AND COMICS STORIES WERE! IT TOLD ME &#8230;S#IT ! DC GETS IT!!!  ALL OF YOU THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT ..DONT GET IT&#8230;BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR PAIN&#8230;THATS WHY THERE SHOULD BE VARIANT COVERS SO EVERYONE WINS!
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		<title>by: Rjackson</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-270256</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-270256</guid>
					<description>&quot;I’m just kind of bewildered there’s not one editor at DC that thought perhaps the cover might ruffle a few feathers.&quot;

&quot;If it’s not active sexism, it’s certainly active stupidity.&quot;

Or active press-grabbing.

To be honest, I hadn't even seen the cover until Heidi posted it.  I thought the cover they were going with was the debut cover from Detective which, obviously, would have been the wiser move.

I agree it is a completely bone-headed move to use this image as the cover, even considering the idea that it's &quot;representative&quot; of the interior stories (which it really isn't.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m just kind of bewildered there’s not one editor at DC that thought perhaps the cover might ruffle a few feathers.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If it’s not active sexism, it’s certainly active stupidity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or active press-grabbing.</p>
<p>To be honest, I hadn&#8217;t even seen the cover until Heidi posted it.  I thought the cover they were going with was the debut cover from Detective which, obviously, would have been the wiser move.</p>
<p>I agree it is a completely bone-headed move to use this image as the cover, even considering the idea that it&#8217;s &#8220;representative&#8221; of the interior stories (which it really isn&#8217;t.)
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		<title>by: Michael</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-270047</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-270047</guid>
					<description>&quot;Tom Stillwell Says:


I’m just kind of bewildered there’s not one editor at DC that thought perhaps the cover might ruffle a few feathers.

Or perhaps cared enough to not use the cover.

Either way.&quot;

That's what gets me, really. They have, what, a good 20-30 covers to choose from, and this is the one they pick? If it's not active sexism, it's certainly active stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tom Stillwell Says:</p>
<p>I’m just kind of bewildered there’s not one editor at DC that thought perhaps the cover might ruffle a few feathers.</p>
<p>Or perhaps cared enough to not use the cover.</p>
<p>Either way.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what gets me, really. They have, what, a good 20-30 covers to choose from, and this is the one they pick? If it&#8217;s not active sexism, it&#8217;s certainly active stupidity.
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		<title>by: Sphinx Magoo</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269857</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269857</guid>
					<description>You know, I was thinking of picking this volume up until I saw the cover. I think I'll wait until the second printing comes out with something on the cover that I won't have to be embarassed to show the missus and kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I was thinking of picking this volume up until I saw the cover. I think I&#8217;ll wait until the second printing comes out with something on the cover that I won&#8217;t have to be embarassed to show the missus and kids.
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		<title>by: Christopher Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269703</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269703</guid>
					<description>...and yes, over all, the Batman: Animated Series version is better. I never would dispute that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and yes, over all, the Batman: Animated Series version is better. I never would dispute that.
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		<title>by: Christopher Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269670</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269670</guid>
					<description>&quot;No, I don’t need to interact with young people to “open my eyes.” And I don’t need to be talked down to. Although you might go back and reread your comments and apply them to that stereotypical “old school” line.&quot;

Rich, as I said before, &quot;Please, don’t take that as a jab. It’s not meant as one.&quot; I really meant that, but I'm sorry if I offended you. Also, I'm not saying anything bad about old school. I love the Animated  Series. I know that it's really good, but I also know that it's a throwback to old school and that is what made it good. When I fallowed your link, I likewise saw the kind of art and comics you are into. I wasn't talking down to you, any more then &quot;Argh. Prepare the bamboo shoots, tie his wrists&quot; was talking down to me, or at least I didn't take it that way. All I was saying is that (I strongly feel) it's wrong to dismiss young people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No, I don’t need to interact with young people to “open my eyes.” And I don’t need to be talked down to. Although you might go back and reread your comments and apply them to that stereotypical “old school” line.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rich, as I said before, &#8220;Please, don’t take that as a jab. It’s not meant as one.&#8221; I really meant that, but I&#8217;m sorry if I offended you. Also, I&#8217;m not saying anything bad about old school. I love the Animated  Series. I know that it&#8217;s really good, but I also know that it&#8217;s a throwback to old school and that is what made it good. When I fallowed your link, I likewise saw the kind of art and comics you are into. I wasn&#8217;t talking down to you, any more then &#8220;Argh. Prepare the bamboo shoots, tie his wrists&#8221; was talking down to me, or at least I didn&#8217;t take it that way. All I was saying is that (I strongly feel) it&#8217;s wrong to dismiss young people.
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		<title>by: It Seems to Me&#8230; &#171; In One Ear&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269598</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269598</guid>
					<description>[...] as a creative explosion ready to be unleashed&amp;#8221;    &amp;#171; Slimy&amp;#160;Monsters&amp;#8230;    It Seems to&amp;#160;Me&amp;#8230; July 19th, 2007   A better cover for that Batgirl Collection everyone is talking about would beBatgirl adjusting her make-up&amp;#8230; while sitting atop a pile unconscious thugs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] as a creative explosion ready to be unleashed&#8221;    &laquo; Slimy&nbsp;Monsters&#8230;    It Seems to&nbsp;Me&#8230; July 19th, 2007   A better cover for that Batgirl Collection everyone is talking about would beBatgirl adjusting her make-up&#8230; while sitting atop a pile unconscious thugs. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: rich</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269420</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269420</guid>
					<description>“I don’t teach teenagers, and don’t find them to be … Each his own.”

&quot;Nor do many “old school” types. I consider it a prejudice that comes from people being set in a lifetime of ways. Please, don’t take that as a jab. It’s not meant as one ...&quot;

No, I don't need to interact with young people to &quot;open my eyes.&quot;  And I don't need to be talked down to.  Although you might go back and reread your comments and apply them to that stereotypical &quot;old school&quot; line.

And the Batman: Animated Series version is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I don’t teach teenagers, and don’t find them to be … Each his own.”</p>
<p>&#8220;Nor do many “old school” types. I consider it a prejudice that comes from people being set in a lifetime of ways. Please, don’t take that as a jab. It’s not meant as one &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t need to interact with young people to &#8220;open my eyes.&#8221;  And I don&#8217;t need to be talked down to.  Although you might go back and reread your comments and apply them to that stereotypical &#8220;old school&#8221; line.</p>
<p>And the Batman: Animated Series version is better.
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		<title>by: Marionette</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269257</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269257</guid>
					<description>&quot;What amuses me about this is that I basically have no knowledge of Barbara Gordon pre-Oracle, but her characterization as Oracle (read: at any given time, the smartest person in the room) just made me think “Oh, she’s just going to let Batman and Robin finish doing something stupid, then save their asses.”&quot;

You win all my internets!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What amuses me about this is that I basically have no knowledge of Barbara Gordon pre-Oracle, but her characterization as Oracle (read: at any given time, the smartest person in the room) just made me think “Oh, she’s just going to let Batman and Robin finish doing something stupid, then save their asses.”&#8221;</p>
<p>You win all my internets!
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		<title>by: BradyDale</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269121</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269121</guid>
					<description>OK, yes, that's what it's about. I think the big johnson at the top of the post just confused me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, yes, that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s about. I think the big johnson at the top of the post just confused me.
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		<title>by: BradyDale</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269106</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-269106</guid>
					<description>Heidi, hey... Umm... I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about? The subject of this post is not in it. Is there a flap about the new cover of the Batgirl Showcase book or something? Maybe the answer is in the previous 42 comments, but I did not read them for that. I would understand this much better if I knew what was under discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, hey&#8230; Umm&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure what the heck you are talking about? The subject of this post is not in it. Is there a flap about the new cover of the Batgirl Showcase book or something? Maybe the answer is in the previous 42 comments, but I did not read them for that. I would understand this much better if I knew what was under discussion.
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		<title>by: AERose</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268615</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268615</guid>
					<description>What amuses me about this is that I basically have no knowledge of Barbara Gordon pre-Oracle, but her characterization as Oracle (read: at any given time, the smartest person in the room) just made me think &quot;Oh, she's just going to let Batman and Robin finish doing something stupid, then save their asses.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What amuses me about this is that I basically have no knowledge of Barbara Gordon pre-Oracle, but her characterization as Oracle (read: at any given time, the smartest person in the room) just made me think &#8220;Oh, she&#8217;s just going to let Batman and Robin finish doing something stupid, then save their asses.&#8221;
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		<title>by: The Dude</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268216</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268216</guid>
					<description>&quot;We sold two copies, both to women. Both women were very excited to see a huge book of Batgirl tales and neither offered any worry about the cover. I don’t know what to make of it.&quot;

That there is still SOME sanity left in the world. 

Oh, I'm sorry, that's just what I make of your story. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We sold two copies, both to women. Both women were very excited to see a huge book of Batgirl tales and neither offered any worry about the cover. I don’t know what to make of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That there is still SOME sanity left in the world. </p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m sorry, that&#8217;s just what I make of your story. <img src='http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: howard</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268173</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268173</guid>
					<description>Speaking of Jack Chick, here is something you will definitely dig the most: www.316now.com has a bunch of short films based on actual Jack Chick tracts.  Like &quot;Doom Town&quot; and &quot;Party Girl&quot; and &quot;Bewitched?&quot;  You will get a big laugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Jack Chick, here is something you will definitely dig the most: <a href='http://www.316now.com' rel='nofollow'>www.316now.com</a> has a bunch of short films based on actual Jack Chick tracts.  Like &#8220;Doom Town&#8221; and &#8220;Party Girl&#8221; and &#8220;Bewitched?&#8221;  You will get a big laugh!
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		<title>by: Michael Liebel</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268163</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268163</guid>
					<description>When I pulled our copies out of the box at my shop, I must admit I did a double take based on the shock of the original solicit being switched out for this one. I thought to myself, &quot;Oh, this one's gonna get us in trouble!&quot; The last week has offered some surprises, however. We sold two copies, both to women. Both women were very excited to see a huge book of Batgirl tales and neither offered any worry about the cover. I don't know what to make of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I pulled our copies out of the box at my shop, I must admit I did a double take based on the shock of the original solicit being switched out for this one. I thought to myself, &#8220;Oh, this one&#8217;s gonna get us in trouble!&#8221; The last week has offered some surprises, however. We sold two copies, both to women. Both women were very excited to see a huge book of Batgirl tales and neither offered any worry about the cover. I don&#8217;t know what to make of it.
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		<title>by: Jeff S</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268002</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-268002</guid>
					<description>Yes, we all know the art is from an old story.  But the &lt;i&gt;decision&lt;/i&gt; to use it as the cover is a new decision, and they could just as easily have used a different piece of art.  Therein lies the issue.

The whole thing makes me think that DC views riling the female fandom as a marketing tactic, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we all know the art is from an old story.  But the <i>decision</i> to use it as the cover is a new decision, and they could just as easily have used a different piece of art.  Therein lies the issue.</p>
<p>The whole thing makes me think that DC views riling the female fandom as a marketing tactic, really.
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		<title>by: J. Kevin Carrier</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267959</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267959</guid>
					<description>If that shot of Batgirl fussing over her lipstick was typical of her behavior in the stories, then yes, that would be an appropriate cover. But it's really not. That particular story, &quot;Batgirl's Costume Cut-Ups&quot;, is unusally sexist -- for the most part, even in those early years, Batgirl was shown to be just as smart, serious, and tough as her male counterparts. The Green Lantern Showcase cover doesn't show him getting knocked out by a falling lamp. The Superman Showcase covers don't show him being a dick. So why pick one of Batgirl's more regrettable moments to feature on the cover? Her debut cover is a great, iconic shot -- she's front and center, charging into action, with Batman &amp;#38; Robin following behind. Would've been a much better, more representative choice.

And really, that cover offends me more aesthetically than it does philosophically. DC puts out some sharp-looking product generally, so why do the Showcase covers all look like they were slapped together by an intern on their lunch hour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that shot of Batgirl fussing over her lipstick was typical of her behavior in the stories, then yes, that would be an appropriate cover. But it&#8217;s really not. That particular story, &#8220;Batgirl&#8217;s Costume Cut-Ups&#8221;, is unusally sexist &#8212; for the most part, even in those early years, Batgirl was shown to be just as smart, serious, and tough as her male counterparts. The Green Lantern Showcase cover doesn&#8217;t show him getting knocked out by a falling lamp. The Superman Showcase covers don&#8217;t show him being a dick. So why pick one of Batgirl&#8217;s more regrettable moments to feature on the cover? Her debut cover is a great, iconic shot &#8212; she&#8217;s front and center, charging into action, with Batman &amp; Robin following behind. Would&#8217;ve been a much better, more representative choice.</p>
<p>And really, that cover offends me more aesthetically than it does philosophically. DC puts out some sharp-looking product generally, so why do the Showcase covers all look like they were slapped together by an intern on their lunch hour?
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		<title>by: Redhead Fangirl</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267668</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267668</guid>
					<description>I was really, really looking forward to my Showcase Batgirl edition.   I'm a little sad that it will now be forever tainted.   I want to focus on Batgirl actually getting her own Showcase edition (and that All Star Batgirl if it ever appears Geoff Johns).  
I wish the cover was less campy and more like the appearance cover art.   It would have been a cool cover if she had just beat the tar out of the villians and then was girly enough to check her makeup in a sassy way.  But since Batman and Robin are in the fight and she's using her compact, that's not so cool.  As Oracle she'd be checking her iphone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really, really looking forward to my Showcase Batgirl edition.   I&#8217;m a little sad that it will now be forever tainted.   I want to focus on Batgirl actually getting her own Showcase edition (and that All Star Batgirl if it ever appears Geoff Johns).<br />
I wish the cover was less campy and more like the appearance cover art.   It would have been a cool cover if she had just beat the tar out of the villians and then was girly enough to check her makeup in a sassy way.  But since Batman and Robin are in the fight and she&#8217;s using her compact, that&#8217;s not so cool.  As Oracle she&#8217;d be checking her iphone!
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		<title>by: The Dude</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267585</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267585</guid>
					<description>&quot;I agree with Heidi that these stories are a product of their times, 40-ish years ago, and should not be changed. But this cover is a product of today.&quot;

No, the cover is a product of art of the same time period as the stories. It is, in fact, taken for one of the stories within the volume. The art was not something NEW, which is why all this &quot;outrage&quot; is misplaced and ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree with Heidi that these stories are a product of their times, 40-ish years ago, and should not be changed. But this cover is a product of today.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, the cover is a product of art of the same time period as the stories. It is, in fact, taken for one of the stories within the volume. The art was not something NEW, which is why all this &#8220;outrage&#8221; is misplaced and ridiculous.
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		<title>by: The Dude</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267570</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267570</guid>
					<description>&quot;No one is asking for Batgirl to be retconned into the kind of grim and gritty avenger — with giant boobs and torn costumes — that she is in the No-Fun era.&quot;

No, people are simply using their overly politicial correct mentality of today's current popular political opinions, to cast a judgment on a piece of pop culture art from four decades ago, and using it to put forth their own dogmatic agenda. And that isn't any better.

You mentioned before about seeing the patterns in this. But if one can't tell the difference between this Batgirl image and the recent H4H cover, then, like Scott Rowland suggests, I would have to recommend emotional counseling for a good number of people. If someone refuses to accept the context and intent of the image and simply wants to go with a knee-jerk reaction based on how things are today, over how they were 40 years ago, that is no one's problem but their own. It's not the fault of the comic publisher or anyone else. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No one is asking for Batgirl to be retconned into the kind of grim and gritty avenger — with giant boobs and torn costumes — that she is in the No-Fun era.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, people are simply using their overly politicial correct mentality of today&#8217;s current popular political opinions, to cast a judgment on a piece of pop culture art from four decades ago, and using it to put forth their own dogmatic agenda. And that isn&#8217;t any better.</p>
<p>You mentioned before about seeing the patterns in this. But if one can&#8217;t tell the difference between this Batgirl image and the recent H4H cover, then, like Scott Rowland suggests, I would have to recommend emotional counseling for a good number of people. If someone refuses to accept the context and intent of the image and simply wants to go with a knee-jerk reaction based on how things are today, over how they were 40 years ago, that is no one&#8217;s problem but their own. It&#8217;s not the fault of the comic publisher or anyone else. Period.
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		<title>by: Alan Coil</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267568</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>BS COLLECTION

I suggest a collection be made to buy Beau Smith a clue that this is not only a new century, it is also a new millenium.
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I agree with Heidi that these stories are a product of their times, 40-ish years ago, and should not be changed. But this cover is a product of today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BS COLLECTION</p>
<p>I suggest a collection be made to buy Beau Smith a clue that this is not only a new century, it is also a new millenium.<br />
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<p>I agree with Heidi that these stories are a product of their times, 40-ish years ago, and should not be changed. But this cover is a product of today.
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		<title>by: Alan Coil</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267552</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree that the cover was a wrong decision.

As an after-the-fact suggestion, I think one solution to being bugged by this cover in the future is to tear the cover off. Then stuff it in an envelope and mail it to Dan DiDio with a letter expressing your disdain for the decision to use it.

This reprint will never be a collectible, so condition is not important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the cover was a wrong decision.</p>
<p>As an after-the-fact suggestion, I think one solution to being bugged by this cover in the future is to tear the cover off. Then stuff it in an envelope and mail it to Dan DiDio with a letter expressing your disdain for the decision to use it.</p>
<p>This reprint will never be a collectible, so condition is not important.
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		<title>by: Chris Sims</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267532</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267532</guid>
					<description>Incidentally, I showed Jim that cover because I think it's &lt;i&gt;freakin' hilarious&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
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		<title>by: The Beat</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267517</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267517</guid>
					<description>Tom: Surely you know the etymological roots of the word &quot;patronizing.&quot; It was a pun. 

I don't object to these stories being republished. I don't object to McCay's racially charged work being reprinted, or even Tintin in the Congo. But covers more in keeping with the current times and mores are a better sales tool. 

And I can see if tis cover had been presented in some kind of ironic &quot;retro&quot; style. But it wasn't. 

It's just a bad marketing decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: Surely you know the etymological roots of the word &#8220;patronizing.&#8221; It was a pun. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t object to these stories being republished. I don&#8217;t object to McCay&#8217;s racially charged work being reprinted, or even Tintin in the Congo. But covers more in keeping with the current times and mores are a better sales tool. </p>
<p>And I can see if tis cover had been presented in some kind of ironic &#8220;retro&#8221; style. But it wasn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a bad marketing decision.
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		<title>by: robsalk</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267509</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267509</guid>
					<description>I agree with Heidi on this. Just because the ditzy Batgirl cover might conceivably be defensible as historical, ironic, or backhandedly humorous in a &quot;so bad it's good&quot; kind of way does not mean DC was required to go that direction for this book. The Detective 369 image is more dynamic and more iconic. Any number of original designs could have been inspired by the period goofyness without calling attention to sexist stereotypes. What possibly made the editor think this was not just a good idea, but the BEST idea?

That said, I'll probably skip this volume because it stops short of my favorite Batgirl stories - the ones drawn by Mike Grell in Batman Family!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Heidi on this. Just because the ditzy Batgirl cover might conceivably be defensible as historical, ironic, or backhandedly humorous in a &#8220;so bad it&#8217;s good&#8221; kind of way does not mean DC was required to go that direction for this book. The Detective 369 image is more dynamic and more iconic. Any number of original designs could have been inspired by the period goofyness without calling attention to sexist stereotypes. What possibly made the editor think this was not just a good idea, but the BEST idea?</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ll probably skip this volume because it stops short of my favorite Batgirl stories - the ones drawn by Mike Grell in Batman Family!
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		<title>by: Katherine Keller</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267481</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267481</guid>
					<description>Quoth Val:

&lt;i&gt; These covers face several gatekeepers along the way for approval. Each gatekeeper has to initial it on the little cover approvals sheet. Who approves these covers? Why is there not somebody of authority somewhere in this process who is in a position to receive this cover on his or her desk and say; “hey, I’m not signing off of this, this sucks”?

Jenette Kahn used to be that person. She was very aware of the image DC was sending out into “the world.”&lt;/i&gt;

I'm wondering about that more and more m'self.  I wonder if the current DC chain of command is a &quot;thou shalt rubber stamp any thing that crosses thy desk&quot; culture.

It certainly does explain:

1) The constant eyesporkworthy pandering.
2) Black Mask with Power Tools action figure.
3) JLA #11 
4) ASBAR
5) Endless &quot;events&quot;
6) Covers like this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoth Val:</p>
<p><i> These covers face several gatekeepers along the way for approval. Each gatekeeper has to initial it on the little cover approvals sheet. Who approves these covers? Why is there not somebody of authority somewhere in this process who is in a position to receive this cover on his or her desk and say; “hey, I’m not signing off of this, this sucks”?</p>
<p>Jenette Kahn used to be that person. She was very aware of the image DC was sending out into “the world.”</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering about that more and more m&#8217;self.  I wonder if the current DC chain of command is a &#8220;thou shalt rubber stamp any thing that crosses thy desk&#8221; culture.</p>
<p>It certainly does explain:</p>
<p>1) The constant eyesporkworthy pandering.<br />
2) Black Mask with Power Tools action figure.<br />
3) JLA #11<br />
4) ASBAR<br />
5) Endless &#8220;events&#8221;<br />
6) Covers like this
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		<title>by: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267435</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267435</guid>
					<description>Heidi, I hope you realize it's possible for someone to be patronizing towards you without being one tiny bit sexist.

The best Lois Lane Showcase cover would be embedded with a computer chip so that every time you passed by your bookcase it would fall off the shelf, forcing you to catch it.

Here's a question to those who are upset by the cover from a moral standpoint. Do you object to these stories, many of which exhibit chauvinistic ideas, being reprinted at all? If not, why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, I hope you realize it&#8217;s possible for someone to be patronizing towards you without being one tiny bit sexist.</p>
<p>The best Lois Lane Showcase cover would be embedded with a computer chip so that every time you passed by your bookcase it would fall off the shelf, forcing you to catch it.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a question to those who are upset by the cover from a moral standpoint. Do you object to these stories, many of which exhibit chauvinistic ideas, being reprinted at all? If not, why not?
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		<title>by: Torsten Adair</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267311</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267311</guid>
					<description>So, which cover should have been used? 
or, if the covers are problematic, would it be possible to take an image from a story and rework it? 
and while we're on the topic, which would be the best and worse Lois Lane cover for a Showcase collection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, which cover should have been used?<br />
or, if the covers are problematic, would it be possible to take an image from a story and rework it?<br />
and while we&#8217;re on the topic, which would be the best and worse Lois Lane cover for a Showcase collection?
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		<title>by: Scott Rowland</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267171</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267171</guid>
					<description>Bad idea for a cover, just from a sales standpoint --why send that message about the character to potential buyers?  It doesn't make me (an old time fanboy, I guess) want to pick it up, and I can't see the image as a book's cover appealing to, well, anyone who doesn't already know and like Batgirl. So, I vote for cluelessness as the motivator.

However, anyone getting &quot;furious&quot; about it should consider talking to a counselor about anger issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad idea for a cover, just from a sales standpoint &#8211;why send that message about the character to potential buyers?  It doesn&#8217;t make me (an old time fanboy, I guess) want to pick it up, and I can&#8217;t see the image as a book&#8217;s cover appealing to, well, anyone who doesn&#8217;t already know and like Batgirl. So, I vote for cluelessness as the motivator.</p>
<p>However, anyone getting &#8220;furious&#8221; about it should consider talking to a counselor about anger issues.
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		<title>by: Sean D.</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267170</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-267170</guid>
					<description>Having owned that issue, it was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the cover image. (Fun if dated story with her &quot;vanity&quot; and a run in her tights - almost wrote &quot;wardrobe malfunction&quot; but thought better of it - played a part in resolving the case.) But even though it was from a fun story, being put on the Showcase cover it's context was completely lost and just adds fuel to the fire lit by the MJ statue. I can see them opting for another image with as many times as the &quot;Million Dollar Debut&quot; cover has been reprinted or homaged, but there HAD to be a better cover or splash page they could've used.

Then again, if they had used an image of Batgirl in peril, the WiR card might have been played.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having owned that issue, it was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the cover image. (Fun if dated story with her &#8220;vanity&#8221; and a run in her tights - almost wrote &#8220;wardrobe malfunction&#8221; but thought better of it - played a part in resolving the case.) But even though it was from a fun story, being put on the Showcase cover it&#8217;s context was completely lost and just adds fuel to the fire lit by the MJ statue. I can see them opting for another image with as many times as the &#8220;Million Dollar Debut&#8221; cover has been reprinted or homaged, but there HAD to be a better cover or splash page they could&#8217;ve used.</p>
<p>Then again, if they had used an image of Batgirl in peril, the WiR card might have been played.
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