Comments on: Kibbles ‘n’ bits http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:39:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Jueves lento: Countdown apesta y todo el mundo lo sabe - Las malévolas portadas variantes - ¿El primer beso de Batman? - Paris Hilton y Stan Lee - Buenos y malos adelantos de comics. « ¡Operación Mandril! http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-269427 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:38:32 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-269427 [...] Gracias a TheBeat nos enteramos de la hilarante noticia que el sujeto que había decidido crear un blog para reseñar semanalmente cada número de la serie ha decidido dejar de hacerlo. Comenta sobre sus razones: Ahora he abandonado Countdown. La extensión de que no habrá ni siquiera una pretensión de historia en este comic se ha vuelto dolorosamente clara. [...] […] Gracias a TheBeat nos enteramos de la hilarante noticia que el sujeto que había decidido crear un blog para reseñar semanalmente cada número de la serie ha decidido dejar de hacerlo. Comenta sobre sus razones: Ahora he abandonado Countdown. La extensión de que no habrá ni siquiera una pretensión de historia en este comic se ha vuelto dolorosamente clara. […]

]]> by: Andrew Hickey http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-268166 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:29:14 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-268166 Kelson, I have to agree - I'm going to check a lot of them out because some of the ideas sound great, but I'm giving them no slack whatever because the Countdown brand means 'stay away'... Kelson, I have to agree - I’m going to check a lot of them out because some of the ideas sound great, but I’m giving them no slack whatever because the Countdown brand means ’stay away’…

]]> by: Kelson http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-267483 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:15:13 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-267483 Regarding all the Countdown spin-offs, I wonder how different reader interest would be if they weren't labeled as such? I mean, forget Countdown, I'm curious about the idea of an insane but heroic version of the Joker, and if Captain Carrot comes back in a fun series, I'm all for it, whether it's billed as a Countdown tie-in or not. Regarding all the Countdown spin-offs, I wonder how different reader interest would be if they weren’t labeled as such? I mean, forget Countdown, I’m curious about the idea of an insane but heroic version of the Joker, and if Captain Carrot comes back in a fun series, I’m all for it, whether it’s billed as a Countdown tie-in or not.

]]> by: Andrew Hickey http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-267016 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:16:29 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-267016 Erik: Firstly, I never made any such commitment. I specifically said in my very first post on that blog "I'm not going to commit to buying 52 comics in advance without any knowledge of the contents." So who's the lazy reader? Conversely, DC *did* make some commitments in solicitations (saying that Keith Giffen would do all the breakdowns) and in interviews (saying it is a standalone story) that are absolutely untrue. Attend to the beam in DC's eye before starting to imagine motes in mine. The fact is, I can find nothing to say about Countdown beyond "this is terrible". It's incoherent drivel, frankly, and not even interestingly bad. If you will pay for my copies of the other 42 issues, I will more than happily review them. If not, can you give me one good reason why I should spend another £63 of my own money on something I get no pleasure from? Given that you don't appear to like what I have to say, why would you want me to continue anyway? It's not 'lazy' to stop doing something that is of no benefit to anyone. The correct word is 'sensible'. As for the relative merits of 52 and Countdown, de gustibus non disputandum est and all that. All I can say is that at an equivalent point in 52, there had been many points that had made me laugh, excited me or intrigued me. There have been none in Countdown, as I have explained at a length that has become tedious even to myself on my own blog. After punching myself in the face for ten weeks, I have noticed that doing so is painful. In my view, that makes me slow on the uptake. But even so, I have no plan to punch myself for another 42 weeks. Finally, I suspect this isn't really the appropriate forum to discuss my lack of personal morals. If you have a reply to this, please either email me direct or post it in my own blog... Erik:
Firstly, I never made any such commitment. I specifically said in my very first post on that blog “I’m not going to commit to buying 52 comics in advance without any knowledge of the contents.” So who’s the lazy reader?

Conversely, DC *did* make some commitments in solicitations (saying that Keith Giffen would do all the breakdowns) and in interviews (saying it is a standalone story) that are absolutely untrue. Attend to the beam in DC’s eye before starting to imagine motes in mine.

The fact is, I can find nothing to say about Countdown beyond “this is terrible”. It’s incoherent drivel, frankly, and not even interestingly bad.
If you will pay for my copies of the other 42 issues, I will more than happily review them. If not, can you give me one good reason why I should spend another £63 of my own money on something I get no pleasure from?

Given that you don’t appear to like what I have to say, why would you want me to continue anyway? It’s not ‘lazy’ to stop doing something that is of no benefit to anyone. The correct word is ’sensible’.

As for the relative merits of 52 and Countdown, de gustibus non disputandum est and all that. All I can say is that at an equivalent point in 52, there had been many points that had made me laugh, excited me or intrigued me. There have been none in Countdown, as I have explained at a length that has become tedious even to myself on my own blog.

After punching myself in the face for ten weeks, I have noticed that doing so is painful. In my view, that makes me slow on the uptake. But even so, I have no plan to punch myself for another 42 weeks.

Finally, I suspect this isn’t really the appropriate forum to discuss my lack of personal morals. If you have a reply to this, please either email me direct or post it in my own blog…

]]> by: Erik http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266993 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:38:34 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266993 Leigh: Not liking is it fine. Creating a blog to analyze each issue on a weekly basis and then quitting because it's dropped is lazy, especially for the reasons he claims in the entry. It would seem to me that if he didn't like it, it would create all that much more to write about in analyzing the book. I don't prescriobe to half of his reasons to stop analyzing the book after 10 weeks. And if he doesn't like it, beyond the small world scope of saying there's no story to speak of (which I definitely don't agree with), the fact that he dropped to title and will no longer be seakign about it strikes me quite frankly as lazy. He should have mde the committment to blog about it on a weekly basis if he was going to, 10 weeks in (let me remind you there are 42 weeks to go), drop the book. There's no more connection between the storylines in this book 10 weeks in than there were in 52. If you don't like it, then write baout what's wrong for the next 42 weeks at least. Leigh:
Not liking is it fine. Creating a blog to analyze each issue on a weekly basis and then quitting because it’s dropped is lazy, especially for the reasons he claims in the entry. It would seem to me that if he didn’t like it, it would create all that much more to write about in analyzing the book.

I don’t prescriobe to half of his reasons to stop analyzing the book after 10 weeks. And if he doesn’t like it, beyond the small world scope of saying there’s no story to speak of (which I definitely don’t agree with), the fact that he dropped to title and will no longer be seakign about it strikes me quite frankly as lazy. He should have mde the committment to blog about it on a weekly basis if he was going to, 10 weeks in (let me remind you there are 42 weeks to go), drop the book.

There’s no more connection between the storylines in this book 10 weeks in than there were in 52. If you don’t like it, then write baout what’s wrong for the next 42 weeks at least.

]]> by: Christopher Moonlight http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266974 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:27:24 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266974 I must know more of this "continuity porn." I must know more of this “continuity porn.”

]]> by: Jonnynyc http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266885 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:39:00 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266885 woah even better: [TB - Let me say the obvious thing here: The Hulk War doesn’t belong in this story, and it’s only our own greed that keeps trying to force it in. I do think that the Hulk should play a role in this story, but right now this is the point where everything disintegrates into chaos, into two big summer crossover stories smooshed together. It’s not going to be accessable, it’s not even going to make sense, and I don’t think we should do it. Let PLANET HULK be PLANET HULK, and let CIVIL WAR be CIVIL WAR. Let’s not chase the DC dollar on this. It’s a sucker’s bet.] woah even better:
[TB - Let me say the obvious thing here: The Hulk War doesn’t belong in this story, and it’s only our own greed that keeps trying to force it in. I do think that the Hulk should play a role in this story, but right now this is the point where everything disintegrates into chaos, into two big summer crossover stories smooshed together. It’s not going to be accessable, it’s not even going to make sense, and I don’t think we should do it. Let PLANET HULK be PLANET HULK, and let CIVIL WAR be CIVIL WAR. Let’s not chase the DC dollar on this. It’s a sucker’s bet.]

]]> by: Leigh Walton http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266882 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:33:39 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266882 Erik: what's lazy about it? If he's not enjoying it, he's not enjoying it. Erik: what’s lazy about it? If he’s not enjoying it, he’s not enjoying it.

]]> by: Jonnynyc http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266821 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:51:46 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266821 I love that Tom Breevort says: "[TB - We should probably build on the prison we established in the Negative Zone in the FF: FOES limited series. If nothing else, it ties everything back to stuff we already have in place, and makes it all seem like a big overarching plan.]" Ha - "makes it all seem like a big overarching plan" I love that Tom Breevort says:
“[TB - We should probably build on the prison we established in the Negative Zone in the FF: FOES limited series. If nothing else, it ties everything back to stuff we already have in place, and makes it all seem like a big overarching plan.]”
Ha - “makes it all seem like a big overarching plan”

]]> by: JimShelley http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266350 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:09:52 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266350 I think now DC can stop feeling smug about how bad Marvel got stung on Atlantis Attacks back in 1989... I think now DC can stop feeling smug about how bad Marvel got stung on Atlantis Attacks back in 1989…

]]> by: Erik Scott http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266267 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:12:20 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/18/kibbles-n-bits-4/#comment-266267 It seems to me that many of the arguements I've been reading about Countdown are the same arguments I was reading when 52 first started. I just don't see the same problems that other people are seeing and quite frnakly find it dissapointing that someone who planned to comment on every issue weekly has "given up" for what are, to me at least, reasons that equal nothing but lazy reading and an inability to see the bigger picture. I don't read countdown weekly, but rather monthly in one swoop, so I plan to analyze the series on my site above for the remainder of the year and try to give some semblance of an idea as to how it's really no worse than 52. Just a little different. It seems to me that many of the arguements I’ve been reading about Countdown are the same arguments I was reading when 52 first started. I just don’t see the same problems that other people are seeing and quite frnakly find it dissapointing that someone who planned to comment on every issue weekly has “given up” for what are, to me at least, reasons that equal nothing but lazy reading and an inability to see the bigger picture. I don’t read countdown weekly, but rather monthly in one swoop, so I plan to analyze the series on my site above for the remainder of the year and try to give some semblance of an idea as to how it’s really no worse than 52. Just a little different.

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