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	<title>Comments on: Sales Charts: Diamond year to date 2007 &#8212; with caveat</title>
	<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/</link>
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		<title>by: videoonlinego</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-2618531</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It is not out-of-date information? Because I have other data on this theme. http://video-online-go.ru/map.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not out-of-date information? Because I have other data on this theme. <a href='http://video-online-go.ru/map.html' rel='nofollow'>http://video-online-go.ru/map.html</a>
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		<title>by: The Comics Podcast Network &#187; Weekly Comics Spotlight #003: 2007-08-29</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-575439</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-575439</guid>
					<description>[...] PW Beat coverage of the article: http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] PW Beat coverage of the article: <a href='http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/' rel='nofollow'>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/</a> [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nov. 13, 2007: The country in which Alan Moore lives</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-528671</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-528671</guid>
					<description>[...] Of course, Wood is actually on the record saying that he doesn&amp;#8217;t trust people to be able to read and understand the existing sales reports properly and make their own judgments about them. So his complaint doesn&amp;#8217;t come as a great surprise at this stage. Still, I think it&amp;#8217;s worthwhile to set the record straight on this stuff. (For anyone who&amp;#8217;s interested, I addressed the question what information Diamond Comic Distributors&amp;#8217; charts represent, how they do it and which sales are on the charts in detail here, so I won&amp;#8217;t go into that again.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Of course, Wood is actually on the record saying that he doesn&#8217;t trust people to be able to read and understand the existing sales reports properly and make their own judgments about them. So his complaint doesn&#8217;t come as a great surprise at this stage. Still, I think it&#8217;s worthwhile to set the record straight on this stuff. (For anyone who&#8217;s interested, I addressed the question what information Diamond Comic Distributors&#8217; charts represent, how they do it and which sales are on the charts in detail here, so I won&#8217;t go into that again.) [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: markus</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-510327</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-510327</guid>
					<description>To reiterate O'Brien: the data for the DM chart is too weak to put much stock into it. Everyone who reads these things regularly knows that. However, the monthly sales is a wholly different matter (while of course still with some biases.). It gives a fairly accurate picture of the relative success and failure of titles (singles) in the DM. 
It goes without saying, that anyone trying to argue awaynumbers in the monthly charts by (rightly) trashing the DM TPB chart (universally acknowledged as highly problematic) and railing against &quot;these (unspecified) sales charts&quot; in general would be pretty disingenuous. Good thing nobody did, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To reiterate O&#8217;Brien: the data for the DM chart is too weak to put much stock into it. Everyone who reads these things regularly knows that. However, the monthly sales is a wholly different matter (while of course still with some biases.). It gives a fairly accurate picture of the relative success and failure of titles (singles) in the DM.<br />
It goes without saying, that anyone trying to argue awaynumbers in the monthly charts by (rightly) trashing the DM TPB chart (universally acknowledged as highly problematic) and railing against &#8220;these (unspecified) sales charts&#8221; in general would be pretty disingenuous. Good thing nobody did, right?
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		<title>by: Rick Rottman</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-397253</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-397253</guid>
					<description>Wow.  It looks as though Brian Wood has deleted the blog post that started this whole number crunching discussion to take place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  It looks as though Brian Wood has deleted the blog post that started this whole number crunching discussion to take place.
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		<title>by: David Beard</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-396413</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-396413</guid>
					<description>An engaging conversation.  I would point folks toward The Comics Journal  #283, in which I run a synthesis of as many possible holes, leaks and loops in the Diamond data as I can manage in about 8 pages, compare the Diamond YTD for 2005 with limited Bookscan data for 2005, and examine the ramifications of the practice of treating the Diamond dataset as valuable.  

My argument is that the Data can only be seen as an extension of the public relations machine that Diamond maintains -- to create the illusion that the products that they carry (especially products by the brokered partners) -are- the comics industry.  

Whether or not you want to agree with that last step in the argument is up to you, but it seems clear that we need to separate the important statistical work done by folks like John Jackson Miller at Comichron, reconstructing the publication history of title, from the current use of the flawed data set.  Here is how I end that article:

Final Commentary

The Diamond bestseller list creates the sense that Diamond is the gravity at the center of the graphic novel and comic book universe. I would never deny Diamond’s historical importance in keeping the direct market alive.  I would never imply that the comics medium would survive without the direct market.  And so, logically, the comics medium at present depends on the existence of Diamond.  But that recognition does not undercut my claim:  A healthy city depends on its roads, but the roads do not define the city, and a survey of the roads (and what passing along them) is not a survey of the city.  I do deny the illusion of the importance of Diamond in defining the industry, market or medium – the illusion that the Diamond data creates and that the endless commentary upon that data reinforces.

The mistake that many commentators on the Diamond data make is that they confuse assessments of “the industry,” “the market” and “the medium” with assessments of Diamond, its central distributor, based on Diamond’s public relations machine – its bestseller lists.

To assess the market, we need to look beyond the primary distributor to the 3,600 outlets Diamond serves.  We need to be able to investigate all of the ways that those 3,600 outlets obtain material and the ways that they move that material into the hands of readers.  

To assess the industry, we need to investigate what “comics” means to more than the addicts who shop 3,600 stores for their weekly fix.  We need to investigate what “comics” means to the huge population of the country that live more than 20 miles from any comic shop, and so see Star Wars, superhero movie tie-in and Archie comics more often than they see X-Men.  We need to see sales of comics and graphic novels in a B. Dalton, a Waldenbooks, or a discount chain as part of the industry.

To assess the medium, we need to be able to fully appreciate the consistent success of materials that are choked out of the bestseller lists by the volume of the materials offered by Diamond’s brokered partners – the Strangers in Paradise, the Owly, the Zoom Suit, even the Naruto – that flourish in nontraditional outlets and via nontraditional marketing.    
 
As long as we are dependent on Diamond data, our ability to assess the industry, market and medium is crippled....

I hope you might take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An engaging conversation.  I would point folks toward The Comics Journal  #283, in which I run a synthesis of as many possible holes, leaks and loops in the Diamond data as I can manage in about 8 pages, compare the Diamond YTD for 2005 with limited Bookscan data for 2005, and examine the ramifications of the practice of treating the Diamond dataset as valuable.  </p>
<p>My argument is that the Data can only be seen as an extension of the public relations machine that Diamond maintains &#8212; to create the illusion that the products that they carry (especially products by the brokered partners) -are- the comics industry.  </p>
<p>Whether or not you want to agree with that last step in the argument is up to you, but it seems clear that we need to separate the important statistical work done by folks like John Jackson Miller at Comichron, reconstructing the publication history of title, from the current use of the flawed data set.  Here is how I end that article:</p>
<p>Final Commentary</p>
<p>The Diamond bestseller list creates the sense that Diamond is the gravity at the center of the graphic novel and comic book universe. I would never deny Diamond’s historical importance in keeping the direct market alive.  I would never imply that the comics medium would survive without the direct market.  And so, logically, the comics medium at present depends on the existence of Diamond.  But that recognition does not undercut my claim:  A healthy city depends on its roads, but the roads do not define the city, and a survey of the roads (and what passing along them) is not a survey of the city.  I do deny the illusion of the importance of Diamond in defining the industry, market or medium – the illusion that the Diamond data creates and that the endless commentary upon that data reinforces.</p>
<p>The mistake that many commentators on the Diamond data make is that they confuse assessments of “the industry,” “the market” and “the medium” with assessments of Diamond, its central distributor, based on Diamond’s public relations machine – its bestseller lists.</p>
<p>To assess the market, we need to look beyond the primary distributor to the 3,600 outlets Diamond serves.  We need to be able to investigate all of the ways that those 3,600 outlets obtain material and the ways that they move that material into the hands of readers.  </p>
<p>To assess the industry, we need to investigate what “comics” means to more than the addicts who shop 3,600 stores for their weekly fix.  We need to investigate what “comics” means to the huge population of the country that live more than 20 miles from any comic shop, and so see Star Wars, superhero movie tie-in and Archie comics more often than they see X-Men.  We need to see sales of comics and graphic novels in a B. Dalton, a Waldenbooks, or a discount chain as part of the industry.</p>
<p>To assess the medium, we need to be able to fully appreciate the consistent success of materials that are choked out of the bestseller lists by the volume of the materials offered by Diamond’s brokered partners – the Strangers in Paradise, the Owly, the Zoom Suit, even the Naruto – that flourish in nontraditional outlets and via nontraditional marketing.    </p>
<p>As long as we are dependent on Diamond data, our ability to assess the industry, market and medium is crippled&#8230;.</p>
<p>I hope you might take a look.
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		<title>by: universalperson</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-394745</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 04:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-394745</guid>
					<description>Can't the companies themselves do us all a favor and print sale statements? They don't even have to be recent sale statements. Just stop keeping us in the dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t the companies themselves do us all a favor and print sale statements? They don&#8217;t even have to be recent sale statements. Just stop keeping us in the dark.
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		<title>by: V. Smith</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-394086</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-394086</guid>
					<description>crap, did I mess up my post, or did it disappear for some reason? Either way, I got my question about manga answered. I knew it really didn't include anime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crap, did I mess up my post, or did it disappear for some reason? Either way, I got my question about manga answered. I knew it really didn&#8217;t include anime.
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		<title>by: cris ibarra</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-394032</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-394032</guid>
					<description>wow,

here's my 2 cents
( and i am only speaking on my behalf as a comic book fan)

I am so glad i am just a fan who has the power to choose what comic or books i want to buy and not worry about the &quot;politics of comics&quot;..

if i like a comic or book I will buy it no matter what...
it doesnt matter where its coming from, who distributed it, who else likes it or if Im the only one buying it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow,</p>
<p>here&#8217;s my 2 cents<br />
( and i am only speaking on my behalf as a comic book fan)</p>
<p>I am so glad i am just a fan who has the power to choose what comic or books i want to buy and not worry about the &#8220;politics of comics&#8221;..</p>
<p>if i like a comic or book I will buy it no matter what&#8230;<br />
it doesnt matter where its coming from, who distributed it, who else likes it or if Im the only one buying it..
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		<title>by: Tom S.</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-393817</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-393817</guid>
					<description>Anime has Nielsen Soundscan as the method of ranking top selling anime.  It doesn't have the direct market through the Direct Market(Anime Pavilion, Right Stuf, AAA Anime).  It seems to me we need to have a Soundscan system for the direct market in comics and Anime.  That would make the Pre-Order thing mute and get an honest answer on what is selling.  What is selling and what is being ordered can be different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anime has Nielsen Soundscan as the method of ranking top selling anime.  It doesn&#8217;t have the direct market through the Direct Market(Anime Pavilion, Right Stuf, AAA Anime).  It seems to me we need to have a Soundscan system for the direct market in comics and Anime.  That would make the Pre-Order thing mute and get an honest answer on what is selling.  What is selling and what is being ordered can be different.
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		<title>by: Brian Jacoby (formerly known as Dagwan)</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-393635</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-393635</guid>
					<description>From what I understand of the newspaper business, the headline is generally written by someone other than the person who wrote the article. Does anyone know if this is the case with CBR? It wouldn't change the meat of the discussion, but it would help understand the process some more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I understand of the newspaper business, the headline is generally written by someone other than the person who wrote the article. Does anyone know if this is the case with CBR? It wouldn&#8217;t change the meat of the discussion, but it would help understand the process some more.
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		<title>by: Eric Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-392019</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-392019</guid>
					<description>Joe, you just summarized the problem quite well. No fans will be swayed from reading anything by these charts, but the potential for retailers to be swayed in their ordering is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, you just summarized the problem quite well. No fans will be swayed from reading anything by these charts, but the potential for retailers to be swayed in their ordering is there.
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		<title>by: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-391809</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-391809</guid>
					<description>Matt C &amp;#38; CF Kane, I assume most retailers do look first at their own numbers but I'd also hope they then look at the numbers in the way Mayo does- to spot trends and perhaps to see if they are missing books that could sell better for them. If they see a title flying off the shelves for everyone else and they're only ordering enough for the pull box crowd then maybe they would add a copy or two for the shelf (stop laughing, I said maybe) or if they do have copies for the shelf which aren't selling perhaps they then try to identify their customers which might like that title and convince them to give it a shot.

Also, I know it's hard when you think your work is being hurt by these numbers but most of the people who see these numbers aren't going to be swayed from reading DMZ or Jonah Hex in trade or singles because of a sales chart. It's fine for people with inside knowledge to point out when they think the numbers are wrong but perhaps their time would be better spent talking to their bosses and trying to get them to put pressure on Diamond to release sell through numbers instead of the pre-order Batman mumbo jumbo we're stuck with now. Wishing that people would quit trying to figure out what's selling is kind of a waste of time since it's something people want and sometimes even need to see. All of us would like the real numbers but until we get them we're left with the hard work that Mayo and others put forth, which is often the best they can do with what they have. Diamond has the ability to give us the real numbers and the only way that's going to happen is if the exclusive publishers and/or DM retailers demand it. However, I think that the bad data actually skews the numbers in benefit of the Big 2 and their top line books so they have no interest in changing the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt C &amp; CF Kane, I assume most retailers do look first at their own numbers but I&#8217;d also hope they then look at the numbers in the way Mayo does- to spot trends and perhaps to see if they are missing books that could sell better for them. If they see a title flying off the shelves for everyone else and they&#8217;re only ordering enough for the pull box crowd then maybe they would add a copy or two for the shelf (stop laughing, I said maybe) or if they do have copies for the shelf which aren&#8217;t selling perhaps they then try to identify their customers which might like that title and convince them to give it a shot.</p>
<p>Also, I know it&#8217;s hard when you think your work is being hurt by these numbers but most of the people who see these numbers aren&#8217;t going to be swayed from reading DMZ or Jonah Hex in trade or singles because of a sales chart. It&#8217;s fine for people with inside knowledge to point out when they think the numbers are wrong but perhaps their time would be better spent talking to their bosses and trying to get them to put pressure on Diamond to release sell through numbers instead of the pre-order Batman mumbo jumbo we&#8217;re stuck with now. Wishing that people would quit trying to figure out what&#8217;s selling is kind of a waste of time since it&#8217;s something people want and sometimes even need to see. All of us would like the real numbers but until we get them we&#8217;re left with the hard work that Mayo and others put forth, which is often the best they can do with what they have. Diamond has the ability to give us the real numbers and the only way that&#8217;s going to happen is if the exclusive publishers and/or DM retailers demand it. However, I think that the bad data actually skews the numbers in benefit of the Big 2 and their top line books so they have no interest in changing the status quo.
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		<title>by: charles foster kane</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-391760</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-391760</guid>
					<description>I would hope that an individual retailer would look at his own numbers first and foremost before looking at industry-wide sales charts, flawed as they may be.</description>
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		<title>by: Eric Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-391599</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It becomes a question of, why release information if the information isn't helpful, useful or educational? 

I bet Karl Rove could answer this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It becomes a question of, why release information if the information isn&#8217;t helpful, useful or educational? </p>
<p>I bet Karl Rove could answer this.
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		<title>by: matterconsumer</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-391585</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Which raises a good question as to whether retailers are actually using these numbers or are influenced by these numbers when making purchasing decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which raises a good question as to whether retailers are actually using these numbers or are influenced by these numbers when making purchasing decisions.
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		<title>by: Eric Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-391567</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/07/sales-charts-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/#comment-391567</guid>
					<description>By the way, Brian, all of your comments have been great. 

All sales charts kind of suck. I appreciate why they exist, but they're all compromised and skewed to some degree. Diamond's lack integrity more than most, because of the way they guard hard sales data like it was gold at Fort Knox and focus on preorders (not sell-thru), and present their data in such unscientific ways (the whole &quot;Batman index&quot; thing they use is just stupid) and skewed ways that only reinforce The Way Things Are. 

Bookscan is just as skewed, leaving out such major markets as wholesalers, Amazon, and most of the direct market. PW's methodology is a complete mystery to me. Even John Miller, who has done so much work on this front, has had a certain tunnel-vision in the way he refuses to look at anything BUT the direct market, which again is only a piece of the entire book business puzzle and any analysis he does completely ignores massive trends in other niches that could be useful to retailers in anticipating demand from all consumer ends. For example, over the last five years, our reported market share in the DM has trended downward, even though our overall sales as a company have gone up because of continued growth in other areas. If you only read the Comics Retailer market shares, you'd think overall consumer demand was lower than ever for Fanta, when in reality our overall sales have proven just the opposite. This kind of info I would think could be useful to retailers, but more to point (and getting back to what I think Brian is talking about), not having that info can be actively misleading and harmful to our business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Brian, all of your comments have been great. </p>
<p>All sales charts kind of suck. I appreciate why they exist, but they&#8217;re all compromised and skewed to some degree. Diamond&#8217;s lack integrity more than most, because of the way they guard hard sales data like it was gold at Fort Knox and focus on preorders (not sell-thru), and present their data in such unscientific ways (the whole &#8220;Batman index&#8221; thing they use is just stupid) and skewed ways that only reinforce The Way Things Are. </p>
<p>Bookscan is just as skewed, leaving out such major markets as wholesalers, Amazon, and most of the direct market. PW&#8217;s methodology is a complete mystery to me. Even John Miller, who has done so much work on this front, has had a certain tunnel-vision in the way he refuses to look at anything BUT the direct market, which again is only a piece of the entire book business puzzle and any analysis he does completely ignores massive trends in other niches that could be useful to retailers in anticipating demand from all consumer ends. For example, over the last five years, our reported market share in the DM has trended downward, even though our overall sales as a company have gone up because of continued growth in other areas. If you only read the Comics Retailer market shares, you&#8217;d think overall consumer demand was lower than ever for Fanta, when in reality our overall sales have proven just the opposite. This kind of info I would think could be useful to retailers, but more to point (and getting back to what I think Brian is talking about), not having that info can be actively misleading and harmful to our business.
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		<title>by: Eric Reynolds</title>
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					<description>The first thing Diamond should do if they truly want to come up with lists that reflect demand rather than corporate market manipulation is to publish lists based on sell-through rather than pre-orders. John Miller has done a lot of number-crunching over the last decade for Comics Retailer and shown time and time again that preorder figures and sellthrough figures can be very different, and that preorder figures usually skew toward the largest players with the most muscle (or sleaziest marketing gimmicks), reinforcing a hegemonic atmosphere that hardly rewards or encourages diversity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing Diamond should do if they truly want to come up with lists that reflect demand rather than corporate market manipulation is to publish lists based on sell-through rather than pre-orders. John Miller has done a lot of number-crunching over the last decade for Comics Retailer and shown time and time again that preorder figures and sellthrough figures can be very different, and that preorder figures usually skew toward the largest players with the most muscle (or sleaziest marketing gimmicks), reinforcing a hegemonic atmosphere that hardly rewards or encourages diversity.
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		<title>by: Brian Wood</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Aaannnd now the CBR article's been clarified.  Which is good.

Seriously, everyone, the name of the game is PERCEPTION, and most readers aren't going to scour an article or a comments section looking for the grand big picture or the little caveats sprinkled around.  They'll breeze through, reading the title, looking at the charts, and walk away depressed that their favorite book is tanking, or whatever, never knowing they're only getting part of the story.

It's a problem, and kudos to Mayo for seeing that and clarifying his article.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaannnd now the CBR article&#8217;s been clarified.  Which is good.</p>
<p>Seriously, everyone, the name of the game is PERCEPTION, and most readers aren&#8217;t going to scour an article or a comments section looking for the grand big picture or the little caveats sprinkled around.  They&#8217;ll breeze through, reading the title, looking at the charts, and walk away depressed that their favorite book is tanking, or whatever, never knowing they&#8217;re only getting part of the story.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a problem, and kudos to Mayo for seeing that and clarifying his article.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>By beef is with these charts and how they are presented, which seems a much easier problem to fix than getting Diamond to change its ways.  You did a good job summing up the opinions so many of us have:  unclear charts and analysis, frustrating, people coming away with incorrect information, etc.  If we had accurate info, sure, that would be solid gold.  But we don't, and that shouldn't make it okay to present the partial info we DO have as accurate.

And your title:  it was in CBR's favor in that you added and changed bits to counter the arguments being made in the comments section (mostly by me), and after the fact.  Not to say the bits you added aren't correct or helpful,  but thank god your original title is still in the URL.  But it makes my reposted blog entry look unnecessary.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By beef is with these charts and how they are presented, which seems a much easier problem to fix than getting Diamond to change its ways.  You did a good job summing up the opinions so many of us have:  unclear charts and analysis, frustrating, people coming away with incorrect information, etc.  If we had accurate info, sure, that would be solid gold.  But we don&#8217;t, and that shouldn&#8217;t make it okay to present the partial info we DO have as accurate.</p>
<p>And your title:  it was in CBR&#8217;s favor in that you added and changed bits to counter the arguments being made in the comments section (mostly by me), and after the fact.  Not to say the bits you added aren&#8217;t correct or helpful,  but thank god your original title is still in the URL.  But it makes my reposted blog entry look unnecessary.</p>
<p>bri
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