Comments on: Nate Fisher/Eightball case mop-up http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:39:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Mini http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-451466 Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:36:53 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-451466 Okay, so I've had more to say. Check out my posting on my blog: www.minivan-diaries.blogspot.com Okay, so I’ve had more to say. Check out my posting on my blog: www.minivan-diaries.blogspot.com

]]> by: Mini http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-450560 Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:03:01 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-450560 scales, I can't disagree with you. There probably is more going on this case than the public knows about -- Nate Fisher himself could be seeking some sort of legal remedy. He potentially lost his career over this. I just wonder how much more the public will hear about it because nobody is asking anymore. I guess that's really my point -- there's no resolution, it's just like "poof" and he's gone. scales, I can’t disagree with you. There probably is more going on this case than the public knows about — Nate Fisher himself could be seeking some sort of legal remedy. He potentially lost his career over this. I just wonder how much more the public will hear about it because nobody is asking anymore. I guess that’s really my point — there’s no resolution, it’s just like “poof” and he’s gone.

]]> by: Hounds Rye http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-449684 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:52:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-449684 When misunderstood, you can always spout a pair of balls (see the video) and sue... Art Teacher Fired for ‘Butt Painting’ in Groucho Mask Sues School District http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=6408 Dateline: Chesterfield County, VA - Source: WWBT-TV "Now that he has been fired, it certainly is important for him to do everything he can to try and sell his artwork. But what he really wanted was to be an art teacher in Chesterfield County." When misunderstood, you can always spout a pair of balls (see the video) and sue…

Art Teacher Fired for ‘Butt Painting’ in Groucho Mask Sues School District

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=6408
Dateline: Chesterfield County, VA - Source: WWBT-TV

“Now that he has been fired, it certainly is important for him to do everything he can to try and sell his artwork. But what he really wanted was to be an art teacher in Chesterfield County.”

]]> by: scales http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-449494 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:40:18 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-449494 mini, one reason I keep returning to this story is my impression is Nate Fisher is still subject to some sort of police investigation, and I want to know the outcome of that mini, one reason I keep returning to this story is my impression is Nate Fisher is still subject to some sort of police investigation, and I want to know the outcome of that

]]> by: Mini http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-447462 Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:43:21 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-447462 I hate to keep beating a dead horse. What is frustrating is that there have been individuals who have been hurt badly as a result of this. I write from the perspective of a parent of teens, most people here seem to have arrived here from their passion for comics, there's also the perspective from someone in education at http://region19.blogspot.com who has written about his interest and gives his passionate feelings about this case. The hard truth is that it happened and people suffered. We can continue to talk about it, but it seems essentially over. Nate Fisher resigned he wasn't fired. Shouldn't the focus be on where to go from here? Is the student doing better at school? Is Nate Fisher able to recover? It is all so quiet - nobody is talking about it anymore at the school. Or at least not publicly. Nobody really stood up in anyone's defense. And life goes on. And the bottom line in all of this, is the parties could at the very least look at what happened, admit all their errors, and walk away feeling like they have all learned some valuable lessons -- not even sure that something as basic as that has come from this. It just appears to be over - and that's the shame of it. I hate to keep beating a dead horse. What is frustrating is that there have been individuals who have been hurt badly as a result of this. I write from the perspective of a parent of teens, most people here seem to have arrived here from their passion for comics, there’s also the perspective from someone in education at http://region19.blogspot.com who has written about his interest and gives his passionate feelings about this case. The hard truth is that it happened and people suffered. We can continue to talk about it, but it seems essentially over. Nate Fisher resigned he wasn’t fired.

Shouldn’t the focus be on where to go from here? Is the student doing better at school? Is Nate Fisher able to recover? It is all so quiet - nobody is talking about it anymore at the school. Or at least not publicly. Nobody really stood up in anyone’s defense. And life goes on. And the bottom line in all of this, is the parties could at the very least look at what happened, admit all their errors, and walk away feeling like they have all learned some valuable lessons — not even sure that something as basic as that has come from this. It just appears to be over - and that’s the shame of it.

]]> by: ton strottmann http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-444538 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 07:45:12 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-444538 I live in Japan and even here this fact became a news. I can see in Brazil too! good way to protect your kid.... the problem about stupid people is usually they make the another close from them to feel shame,but themselves can not even realize . I live in Japan and even here this fact became a news.
I can see in Brazil too!

good way to protect your kid….
the problem about stupid people is usually they make the another close from them to feel shame,but themselves can not even realize .

]]> by: Alex Brazil Rio de Janeiro http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-443884 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:44:07 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-443884 I think this case reflects the hypocrisis of our western society, 'cos the same parents that reacts like this over a comic book, let their kids watch several films with "disguised" sex scenes or insinuation, drugs, deaths, rape, etc. Not only films, but also sitcoms, tv shows, reality show and even some cartoons who use violence. This, in my opinion, is a distortion of values, people that only see bad things where they want to see. Does she really thinks that her 13 years old daughter don't know what sex is? Does she think that her daughetrs and her friends at school do not know more about today sexlife than she does? Well, unless her daughter was created in a bubble, she must come to the 21th century and study the behavior of our youth in the new decade. Even if a teenager do not follow their friends path, she will surely know more about sex, drugs, crimes and bad things than her parents... She should have talked to the teacher first before taking that attitude. I think this case reflects the hypocrisis of our western society, ‘cos the same parents that reacts like this over a comic book, let their kids watch several films with “disguised” sex scenes or insinuation, drugs, deaths, rape, etc. Not only films, but also sitcoms, tv shows, reality show and even some cartoons who use violence. This, in my opinion, is a distortion of values, people that only see bad things where they want to see. Does she really thinks that her 13 years old daughter don’t know what sex is? Does she think that her daughetrs and her friends at school do not know more about today sexlife than she does? Well, unless her daughter was created in a bubble, she must come to the 21th century and study the behavior of our youth in the new decade. Even if a teenager do not follow their friends path, she will surely know more about sex, drugs, crimes and bad things than her parents… She should have talked to the teacher first before taking that attitude.

]]> by: curefreak http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-441913 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:22:56 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-441913 I think the sad thing is that the Daughter who is the one truly innocent person in this whole thing is the one being punished severly. i hope this teacher is able to continue with his life even if hes not teaching it would be a shame for one stupid mistake to ruin a persons whole life. I think the sad thing is that the Daughter who is the one truly innocent person in this whole thing is the one being punished severly.
i hope this teacher is able to continue with his life even if hes not teaching it would be a shame for one stupid mistake to ruin a persons whole life.

]]> by: Patrick Dean http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-441262 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:36:01 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-441262 Frank Cho's Avengers book has 356% more bare asses than Ice Haven. That would've been a funny story in the press; "Iron Man, seen here beating up a silver nude woman with enormous tits, is at the center of a school controversy involving a 13 year old and a teacher who some think is a hunchbacked perverted peeping tom with the clap..." Frank Cho’s Avengers book has 356% more bare asses than Ice Haven. That would’ve been a funny story in the press; “Iron Man, seen here beating up a silver nude woman with enormous tits, is at the center of a school controversy involving a 13 year old and a teacher who some think is a hunchbacked perverted peeping tom with the clap…”

]]> by: Alex http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-441074 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:55:46 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-441074 Now if you give 'Identity Crisis' to a kid... then you're silly. Wow, a superhero comic is dirtier than an indie comic. Who would see the day... Now if you give ‘Identity Crisis’ to a kid… then you’re silly.

Wow, a superhero comic is dirtier than an indie comic. Who would see the day…

]]> by: scales http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439991 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:41:17 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439991 Alex: "...here’s the thing, Ice Haven could have been a copy of Marvel Adventures, and still the detractors would find something wrong with it." This morning I found myself wondering, what if instead of Ice Haven it had been a copy of that DC Identity Crisis. What if. Alex: “…here’s the thing, Ice Haven could have been a copy of Marvel Adventures, and still the detractors would find something wrong with it.”

This morning I found myself wondering, what if instead of Ice Haven it had been a copy of that DC Identity Crisis. What if.

]]> by: Alex http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439982 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:30:48 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439982 Oh no. I do care. But here's the thing, Ice Haven could have been a copy of Marvel Adventures, and still the detractors would find something wrong with it. In the end, it doesn't matter. I gots me a life, and 250 comments later, what else is there to say. Hell, if I post the Ghost World thing I'll just repeat. This is more than a waste of bandwith now. I just have to respond to hatas. Oh no. I do care. But here’s the thing, Ice Haven could have been a copy of Marvel Adventures, and still the detractors would find something wrong with it. In the end, it doesn’t matter. I gots me a life, and 250 comments later, what else is there to say. Hell, if I post the Ghost World thing I’ll just repeat. This is more than a waste of bandwith now. I just have to respond to hatas.

]]> by: Patrick Dean http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439948 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:35:46 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439948 Hey Alex! Go obsessively scan every article and cherry pick out of context sentences that support your side and copy paste them here! That'll show you care! Hey Alex! Go obsessively scan every article and cherry pick out of context sentences that support your side and copy paste them here! That’ll show you care!

]]> by: usrngrx http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439944 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:27:37 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439944 Alex, I don't understand. You care enough to state your opinion that you think the girl is lying, based on some information you say is out there, but then when asked to reference that information, you say you don't care enough to reference it. Why don't you just keep your mouth shut if you you don't care. There are people who do care about this topic, on both sides of the fence and they come here to state their opinions. Alex,

I don’t understand. You care enough to state your opinion that you think the girl is lying, based on some information you say is out there, but then when asked to reference that information, you say you don’t care enough to reference it.

Why don’t you just keep your mouth shut if you you don’t care. There are people who do care about this topic, on both sides of the fence and they come here to state their opinions.

]]> by: Alex http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439882 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:30:09 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439882 Nah, I don't care enough to prove this. But it *was* in a beat entry, and if you look at the first one, you'll find it. I'm going to leave this to the actual people involved now. Peace! Nah, I don’t care enough to prove this. But it *was* in a beat entry, and if you look at the first one, you’ll find it. I’m going to leave this to the actual people involved now. Peace!

]]> by: usrngrx http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439671 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:50:40 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439671 I have been following this very closely, and in none of the newspaper articles did it ever say she saw or read Ghostworld, and no where did it say she saw Art School confidential. The mother as well posted on here and said nothing about what here daughter reads or sees. I would love to see some quotes backed up with links to the original articles. I can still access them all and I have reread them, none of them say anything to what you are alluding to. I have been following this very closely, and in none of the newspaper articles did it ever say she saw or read Ghostworld, and no where did it say she saw Art School confidential.

The mother as well posted on here and said nothing about what here daughter reads or sees.

I would love to see some quotes backed up with links to the original articles.

I can still access them all and I have reread them, none of them say anything to what you are alluding to.

]]> by: Alex http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439661 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:35:42 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439661 The original article foo! It may've been the movie too, but in any case, she knew quite well Clowes' world. She also saw Art School Confidential. Its in one of the beat entries too. And please, no snark. The original article foo! It may’ve been the movie too, but in any case, she knew quite well Clowes’ world. She also saw Art School Confidential. Its in one of the beat entries too. And please, no snark.

]]> by: usrngrx http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439634 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:04:14 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439634 Alex, Where, in anything you have read, did it ever say the girl read Ghost World? Alex,

Where, in anything you have read, did it ever say the girl read Ghost World?

]]> by: Alex http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439177 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:17:53 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-439177 I find it hard to believe the girl thought it was about playing pool. She read Ghost World, she prolly knows 8 Ball! Ahhhhh... too much bandwith has been wasted on this subject, rather more than necessary. Mark seems to be taking this creepily close for someone who hasn't read the book, or knows the people involved, or is involved with education, or is a teen/ parent of a teen. Fun. I find it hard to believe the girl thought it was about playing pool.
She read Ghost World, she prolly knows 8 Ball!

Ahhhhh… too much bandwith has been wasted on this subject, rather more than necessary. Mark seems to be taking this creepily close for someone who hasn’t read the book, or knows the people involved, or is involved with education, or is a teen/ parent of a teen. Fun.

]]> by: Rick Rottman http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-438629 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:09:01 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/26/nate-fishereightball-case-mop-up/#comment-438629 <b>“Mr Engblom, you are a reactionary idiot. Most people have come to the conclusion that the teacher made an error in judgment. I agree with this attitude for the most part. Most people have also come to the conclusion that the girl’s parent overreacted to some degree. The situation has gotten blown out of proportion to the severity of the crime by all parties involved.”</b> Mark Engblom is right. The teacher’s screw up is what brought about this whole mess. Remember, a young girl is getting death threats. If the teacher lacked the common sense to first review an adult comic before assigning it to a 13-year old girl he barely knew, he should have at least adhered to the rules the school already had in place. He didn’t do that. The teacher should have known better. I assume he has a degree in education and that he had to pass an exam to get his teaching certificate. He should have known what was appropriate and what wasn’t. He had a professional responsibility. Assigning EIGHTBALL #22 to a 13-year old girl that mistakenly thought it was about playing pool was the wrong thing to do. Calling Mark Engblom names isn’t going to change that. “Mr Engblom, you are a reactionary idiot. Most people have come to the conclusion that the teacher made an error in judgment. I agree with this attitude for the most part. Most people have also come to the conclusion that the girl’s parent overreacted to some degree. The situation has gotten blown out of proportion to the severity of the crime by all parties involved.”

Mark Engblom is right. The teacher’s screw up is what brought about this whole mess. Remember, a young girl is getting death threats. If the teacher lacked the common sense to first review an adult comic before assigning it to a 13-year old girl he barely knew, he should have at least adhered to the rules the school already had in place. He didn’t do that.

The teacher should have known better. I assume he has a degree in education and that he had to pass an exam to get his teaching certificate. He should have known what was appropriate and what wasn’t. He had a professional responsibility. Assigning EIGHTBALL #22 to a 13-year old girl that mistakenly thought it was about playing pool was the wrong thing to do.

Calling Mark Engblom names isn’t going to change that.

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