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	<title>Comments on: Fangoria Comics &#8212; another one bites the dust</title>
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		<title>by: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-444726</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the update, Troy.  Fortunately, for me, I'd only sent off the filled subscription form a few weeks ago so no title has come my way yet.  Guess they'll just void my order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, Troy.  Fortunately, for me, I&#8217;d only sent off the filled subscription form a few weeks ago so no title has come my way yet.  Guess they&#8217;ll just void my order.
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		<title>by: Troy Brownfield</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-443376</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-443376</guid>
					<description>Tyler,

Unfortunately, since the titles were &quot;cancelled at the company&quot;, Fangoria Entertainment will not be shipping any further books.  I am sorry about that, and, were I you, I would ask them about what they intend to do with the balance of your payment at this point.

The remainder of the titles will come out in some form eventually, and Scott hopes to announce that mechanism soon.

Incidentally, did you receive your signed book from Robert Kurtzman that was promised in the ad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, since the titles were &#8220;cancelled at the company&#8221;, Fangoria Entertainment will not be shipping any further books.  I am sorry about that, and, were I you, I would ask them about what they intend to do with the balance of your payment at this point.</p>
<p>The remainder of the titles will come out in some form eventually, and Scott hopes to announce that mechanism soon.</p>
<p>Incidentally, did you receive your signed book from Robert Kurtzman that was promised in the ad?
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		<title>by: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-443334</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Will I still receive the titles I ordered via the subscription form?</description>
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		<title>by: Matt</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-443322</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow, just I saw these at a few Borders this weekend. They are in fact in stores on racks right underneath Archie comics. There were like 5 or 6 different titles too all polybagged. Thats interesting that they were able to get them into bookstores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, just I saw these at a few Borders this weekend. They are in fact in stores on racks right underneath Archie comics. There were like 5 or 6 different titles too all polybagged. Thats interesting that they were able to get them into bookstores.
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		<title>by: Edward Champion&#8217;s Return of the Reluctant</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-443136</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Fangoria Comics is no more. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Fangoria Comics is no more. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Sally M.</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-443113</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>OK, big deal. So someone is saying bad things about you on the net. It happens to people ALL THE TIME. You feel you have to &quot;out&quot; them. Bottom line is that the company is gone and their is nothing left to talk about. Everyone grow up and move on. What's the next story Heidi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, big deal. So someone is saying bad things about you on the net. It happens to people ALL THE TIME. You feel you have to &#8220;out&#8221; them. Bottom line is that the company is gone and their is nothing left to talk about. Everyone grow up and move on. What&#8217;s the next story Heidi?
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		<title>by: Tim O'Shea</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-442746</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-442746</guid>
					<description>Not picking sides, per se. But I'll vouch for Troy, even if he now appears to be associated with some group of punks called Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College (heh, I'm Catholic and I'm still cracking up at that name...) :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Brownfield

While not a fan of horror, I'll be curious to see where these books land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not picking sides, per se. But I&#8217;ll vouch for Troy, even if he now appears to be associated with some group of punks called Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College (heh, I&#8217;m Catholic and I&#8217;m still cracking up at that name&#8230;) <img src='http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Brownfield' rel='nofollow'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Brownfield</a></p>
<p>While not a fan of horror, I&#8217;ll be curious to see where these books land.
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		<title>by: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-441279</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The people questioning the sales numbers should take into account how many horror shows there are and what a rabid (no pun intended) audience there is at these shows. I don't know for sure if that's where the extra numbers are coming from but it's one example of how the horror market differs from the comics market and could enhance the bottom line of a niche publisher who otherwise would have only marginal success in the direct market. I'd guess it's how a company like Dead Dog seems to be rolling along (and could also provide a venue for any homeless ex-Fangoria comics I'd wager).

I'm amazed how often larger companies start comics lines and expect them to be smashing successes without much in the way of support (don't they bother to actually study the market before they get in or does everybody see comics as a cheap way to farm intellectual properties now?). While we don't know if that is what happened here, it sure wouldn't be the first (or last) time it did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people questioning the sales numbers should take into account how many horror shows there are and what a rabid (no pun intended) audience there is at these shows. I don&#8217;t know for sure if that&#8217;s where the extra numbers are coming from but it&#8217;s one example of how the horror market differs from the comics market and could enhance the bottom line of a niche publisher who otherwise would have only marginal success in the direct market. I&#8217;d guess it&#8217;s how a company like Dead Dog seems to be rolling along (and could also provide a venue for any homeless ex-Fangoria comics I&#8217;d wager).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed how often larger companies start comics lines and expect them to be smashing successes without much in the way of support (don&#8217;t they bother to actually study the market before they get in or does everybody see comics as a cheap way to farm intellectual properties now?). While we don&#8217;t know if that is what happened here, it sure wouldn&#8217;t be the first (or last) time it did.
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		<title>by: Wilson Ramos jr</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-441265</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I hate to hear that another company hasn't worked out, and to my surprise I didn't even know that they where even trying to make comics. I guess maybe they only did Ads in STARLOG about it, which I wouldn’t have seen since I don't even buy STARLOG anymore. I hope that some of those titles will be published somewhere else, those artist must have worked hard on those books.  


Wilson Ramos jr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to hear that another company hasn&#8217;t worked out, and to my surprise I didn&#8217;t even know that they where even trying to make comics. I guess maybe they only did Ads in STARLOG about it, which I wouldn’t have seen since I don&#8217;t even buy STARLOG anymore. I hope that some of those titles will be published somewhere else, those artist must have worked hard on those books.  </p>
<p>Wilson Ramos jr.
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		<title>by: michael</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-440472</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>it's pretty sad when your own magazine won't market their own brand of comic books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s pretty sad when your own magazine won&#8217;t market their own brand of comic books.
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		<title>by: Troy Brownfield</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-440391</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-440391</guid>
					<description>Mr. Sobol,

I forgot that Ken was co-creator; I'll concede that point.

In terms of sales, he said none of the books sold 3,000 copies, and he was in error.  Many made that number on re-order; also, as noted, the chain bookstore sales were strong.  He wanted to frame the information a certain way, and I wanted to demonstrate that &quot;None&quot; was overstating the case.

As to the alias situation, this is not new, and Ken knows it.  He's also aware that he's been called out for this before.  As a matter of fact, it was here once: http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/01/vampirella-stays-at-harris/

I worked as a writer for Heidi when she co-ran Pulse, and I would hope that she knows enough about me to know that I wouldn't say that unless I had substantiation.

Essentially, the situation is this:  with little marketing support and Scott's extreme efforts, we managed to sell several thousand books in a tough market.  The fact that we made big inroads into the chains shows Scott's tenacity.  We hope that we'll find new readers where we're going, and we hope that the old readers follow.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Sobol,</p>
<p>I forgot that Ken was co-creator; I&#8217;ll concede that point.</p>
<p>In terms of sales, he said none of the books sold 3,000 copies, and he was in error.  Many made that number on re-order; also, as noted, the chain bookstore sales were strong.  He wanted to frame the information a certain way, and I wanted to demonstrate that &#8220;None&#8221; was overstating the case.</p>
<p>As to the alias situation, this is not new, and Ken knows it.  He&#8217;s also aware that he&#8217;s been called out for this before.  As a matter of fact, it was here once: <a href='http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/01/vampirella-stays-at-harris/' rel='nofollow'>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/05/01/vampirella-stays-at-harris/</a></p>
<p>I worked as a writer for Heidi when she co-ran Pulse, and I would hope that she knows enough about me to know that I wouldn&#8217;t say that unless I had substantiation.</p>
<p>Essentially, the situation is this:  with little marketing support and Scott&#8217;s extreme efforts, we managed to sell several thousand books in a tough market.  The fact that we made big inroads into the chains shows Scott&#8217;s tenacity.  We hope that we&#8217;ll find new readers where we&#8217;re going, and we hope that the old readers follow.</p>
<p>Thanks.
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		<title>by: R. Sobol</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-440379</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Just so you know, it’s my understanding that John Weheat is actually Ken Wolak; he was the artist on Scott Licina’s old book G.R.A.V.E. Grrrls and now feels the need to diss him under a variety of aliases, including that one, CATT and Trainspott at Newsarama, and more.&quot;

Not sure where you get your information, sir, because in my copies of GRAVE Grrrls, Ken Wolak is listed as Co-creator as well as credited as artist, colorist, and inker. This brings YOUR credibility into question, imho.

Regarding your comments that I copied above, what constitutes a &quot;diss&quot; in your opinion? So Fangoria broke the 3000 mark on exactly ONE issue, and this in your mind invalidates all of the other information? Are you serious? Frankly the numbers speak for themselves, if you ask me.

As far as your very direct accusation that Ken Wolak is any of the posters in question, you'd better have some pretty darn good proof. I've known Ken for quite some time and he is a man of strong character. I've never known him to be the type of person to sneak around and cause trouble for someone. Ken would address the situation directly. I know that Ken and Scott had a falling-out, but Ken has been pretty tight-lipped about the subject with his friends in the industry. If he doesn't &quot;diss&quot; Scott to his closest friends, just what do you think would motivate him to do so in a public forum such as this?

You've got a lot of nerve, I'll grant you that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just so you know, it’s my understanding that John Weheat is actually Ken Wolak; he was the artist on Scott Licina’s old book G.R.A.V.E. Grrrls and now feels the need to diss him under a variety of aliases, including that one, CATT and Trainspott at Newsarama, and more.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure where you get your information, sir, because in my copies of GRAVE Grrrls, Ken Wolak is listed as Co-creator as well as credited as artist, colorist, and inker. This brings YOUR credibility into question, imho.</p>
<p>Regarding your comments that I copied above, what constitutes a &#8220;diss&#8221; in your opinion? So Fangoria broke the 3000 mark on exactly ONE issue, and this in your mind invalidates all of the other information? Are you serious? Frankly the numbers speak for themselves, if you ask me.</p>
<p>As far as your very direct accusation that Ken Wolak is any of the posters in question, you&#8217;d better have some pretty darn good proof. I&#8217;ve known Ken for quite some time and he is a man of strong character. I&#8217;ve never known him to be the type of person to sneak around and cause trouble for someone. Ken would address the situation directly. I know that Ken and Scott had a falling-out, but Ken has been pretty tight-lipped about the subject with his friends in the industry. If he doesn&#8217;t &#8220;diss&#8221; Scott to his closest friends, just what do you think would motivate him to do so in a public forum such as this?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got a lot of nerve, I&#8217;ll grant you that!
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		<title>by: Troy Brownfield</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-440338</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey Heidi,

Just so you know, it's my understanding that John Weheat is actually Ken Wolak; he was the artist on Scott Licina's old book G.R.A.V.E. Grrrls and now feels the need to diss him under a variety of aliases, including that one, CATT and Trainspott at Newsarama, and more.

Also, according to http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/10906.html, BUMP #1 sold just under 4,000 copies on the first shot; it was re-ordered thru Diamond three times.  The bookstore numbers were accurate as Scott gave them; we did very well at Borders, Barnes &amp;#38; Noble, and elsewhere.  Our return percentage is, of course, private, but was very, very good.  All of our books sold strongly at the summer shows, particularly Chicago.

Frankly, most of our readers told us that they found the books in the chain stores.  We're hoping that we'll be able to better inform retailers and potential readers about our books at our new venue.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Heidi,</p>
<p>Just so you know, it&#8217;s my understanding that John Weheat is actually Ken Wolak; he was the artist on Scott Licina&#8217;s old book G.R.A.V.E. Grrrls and now feels the need to diss him under a variety of aliases, including that one, CATT and Trainspott at Newsarama, and more.</p>
<p>Also, according to <a href='http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/10906.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/10906.html</a>, BUMP #1 sold just under 4,000 copies on the first shot; it was re-ordered thru Diamond three times.  The bookstore numbers were accurate as Scott gave them; we did very well at Borders, Barnes &amp; Noble, and elsewhere.  Our return percentage is, of course, private, but was very, very good.  All of our books sold strongly at the summer shows, particularly Chicago.</p>
<p>Frankly, most of our readers told us that they found the books in the chain stores.  We&#8217;re hoping that we&#8217;ll be able to better inform retailers and potential readers about our books at our new venue.</p>
<p>Thanks!
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		<title>by: Dennis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, that 17,000 number sounds very VERY high--but if it is an accurate number, then maybe it was before book stores returned unsold copies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that 17,000 number sounds very VERY high&#8211;but if it is an accurate number, then maybe it was before book stores returned unsold copies?
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		<title>by: John Weheat</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/28/fangoria-comics-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-440295</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is a surprise. I just read awhile back on some site that they were selling 17,000 copies of each book through book store changes. That statement was made by the editor of Fangoria comics of course. It sounded a little high in numbers to me. My guess will be they move to Devils Due comics, but will print on cheaper paper to save money. None of their books sold more than 3,000 copies according www.icv2.com on the Dimond/shop level. I'm guessing whoever puts the books out now will know the real numbers before they commit to printing any new stuff. 3,000 copies is not that great (profit wise) unless they are going to charge even more than $3.99. Mark another new company gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a surprise. I just read awhile back on some site that they were selling 17,000 copies of each book through book store changes. That statement was made by the editor of Fangoria comics of course. It sounded a little high in numbers to me. My guess will be they move to Devils Due comics, but will print on cheaper paper to save money. None of their books sold more than 3,000 copies according <a href='http://www.icv2.com' rel='nofollow'>www.icv2.com</a> on the Dimond/shop level. I&#8217;m guessing whoever puts the books out now will know the real numbers before they commit to printing any new stuff. 3,000 copies is not that great (profit wise) unless they are going to charge even more than $3.99. Mark another new company gone.
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