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		<title>by: Comica vérité and the narrowing respect for &#8220;graphic novels&#8221; &#187; Undress Me Robot</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-507054</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] A few weeks ago, Heidi MacDonald (of the PublishersWeekly comic blog The Beat) posted a half review/half commentary dealing with The Best American Comics 2007. One hundred comments and a few days later, she responded to the controversy her post had spawned. Hardly wanting to admit any fault, she quickly reveals that any vagueness was on purpose; a product of her writing style and a means to &amp;#8220;inspire debate&amp;#8221; (and debate they did). Just like my short digression was on purpose; a means of allowing me to say her dodging any blame was a motherfucking cop-out. But I digress. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A few weeks ago, Heidi MacDonald (of the PublishersWeekly comic blog The Beat) posted a half review/half commentary dealing with The Best American Comics 2007. One hundred comments and a few days later, she responded to the controversy her post had spawned. Hardly wanting to admit any fault, she quickly reveals that any vagueness was on purpose; a product of her writing style and a means to &#8220;inspire debate&#8221; (and debate they did). Just like my short digression was on purpose; a means of allowing me to say her dodging any blame was a motherfucking cop-out. But I digress. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-493815</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I didn't buy it in the store since it's painfully redundant material, so I can't refer to Chris' intro. What did he say? Did he decide to just focus on an extremely narrow band of art comix to the exclusion of all else, and if so, why? If so, why call it &quot;Best Comics&quot; and not something more accurate? Any collection of best comics must include comic strips, gag panels, superhero stuff, edittoons, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t buy it in the store since it&#8217;s painfully redundant material, so I can&#8217;t refer to Chris&#8217; intro. What did he say? Did he decide to just focus on an extremely narrow band of art comix to the exclusion of all else, and if so, why? If so, why call it &#8220;Best Comics&#8221; and not something more accurate? Any collection of best comics must include comic strips, gag panels, superhero stuff, edittoons, etc.
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		<title>by: The Beat</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-492677</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>He sort of explained in his intro, Ted. I'm really not faulting Ware for liking what he likes -- what he likes is usually quite excellent -- just examining the range, as you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He sort of explained in his intro, Ted. I&#8217;m really not faulting Ware for liking what he likes &#8212; what he likes is usually quite excellent &#8212; just examining the range, as you say.
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		<title>by: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-492629</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-492629</guid>
					<description>What struck me about &quot;Best American Comics&quot; was its absence of editorial cartoons. American political cartoonists have produced amazing work, especially since 2000. No Kirk Anderson or Tom Tomorrow or Ruben Bolling in a book of &quot;best&quot; comics? Weird. Chris Ware has said he doesn't care for politics, but to omit an entire genre of cartooning deserves an explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What struck me about &#8220;Best American Comics&#8221; was its absence of editorial cartoons. American political cartoonists have produced amazing work, especially since 2000. No Kirk Anderson or Tom Tomorrow or Ruben Bolling in a book of &#8220;best&#8221; comics? Weird. Chris Ware has said he doesn&#8217;t care for politics, but to omit an entire genre of cartooning deserves an explanation.
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		<title>by: Andy Smith</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-466296</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A Valiant mention! Who is C.F. and what did he have to say about Valiant????</description>
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		<title>by: Troy Wilson</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-465496</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-465496</guid>
					<description>Ah, thanks for the heads-up, Kurt.  Serves me right for simply assuming the SHORT STORIES volumes had followed the same typographical path as this year's COMICS volume.  So they got it right, and the COMICS volume got it right.  IMHO, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, thanks for the heads-up, Kurt.  Serves me right for simply assuming the SHORT STORIES volumes had followed the same typographical path as this year&#8217;s COMICS volume.  So they got it right, and the COMICS volume got it right.  IMHO, anyway.
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		<title>by: Gil Jaysmith</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-464633</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-464633</guid>
					<description>One of the best movie review snippets I ever read was for &quot;Charlie Varrick&quot;, a pretty enjoyable thriller starring Joe Don Baker: &quot;Proves that there's nothing wrong with an auteur director that a good script can't cure&quot;. 

I have no problem with people producing whatever kind of art they want, but they (a) shouldn't expect it to draw a wide audience unless they sculpt their work to attract one, and (b) shouldn't get snooty with me if I'm not part of the audience, no matter how wide or narrow it is. And their fans (wide or narrow) could maybe observe those points too.

Poxy boring autobiographical comics are no more or less intrinsically boring than poxy boring superhero comics, but it's exasperating to hear people insist that they have intrinsic value. They may have more intrinsic accessibility because their setting is 'real life', but that's about all, and it doesn't make them any less boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best movie review snippets I ever read was for &#8220;Charlie Varrick&#8221;, a pretty enjoyable thriller starring Joe Don Baker: &#8220;Proves that there&#8217;s nothing wrong with an auteur director that a good script can&#8217;t cure&#8221;. </p>
<p>I have no problem with people producing whatever kind of art they want, but they (a) shouldn&#8217;t expect it to draw a wide audience unless they sculpt their work to attract one, and (b) shouldn&#8217;t get snooty with me if I&#8217;m not part of the audience, no matter how wide or narrow it is. And their fans (wide or narrow) could maybe observe those points too.</p>
<p>Poxy boring autobiographical comics are no more or less intrinsically boring than poxy boring superhero comics, but it&#8217;s exasperating to hear people insist that they have intrinsic value. They may have more intrinsic accessibility because their setting is &#8216;real life&#8217;, but that&#8217;s about all, and it doesn&#8217;t make them any less boring.
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		<title>by: Kurt Busiek</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-464152</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&amp;#62;&amp;#62; And yes, I’d make the same typographical recommendation re: the editor of BEST AMERICAN SHORT STORIES, etc, etc. &amp;#62;&amp;#62;

On the SHORT STORIES volume, the editor's name is pretty big -- this year it's Stephen King, which will probably sell some books (it did to me), but it was just as big last year, when it was Ann Patchett.

Looking back over previous years, it seems to be pretty consistently large.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; And yes, I’d make the same typographical recommendation re: the editor of BEST AMERICAN SHORT STORIES, etc, etc. &gt;&gt;</p>
<p>On the SHORT STORIES volume, the editor&#8217;s name is pretty big &#8212; this year it&#8217;s Stephen King, which will probably sell some books (it did to me), but it was just as big last year, when it was Ann Patchett.</p>
<p>Looking back over previous years, it seems to be pretty consistently large.</p>
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		<title>by: ADD</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-464009</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-464009</guid>
					<description>&quot;Whenever Tom and Heidi get into one of these tiffs, I feel like I’m hearing Mom and Dad arguing from the next room.&quot;

I'll take that over anything else we might hear them doing from the next room. HA-CHA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whenever Tom and Heidi get into one of these tiffs, I feel like I’m hearing Mom and Dad arguing from the next room.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take that over anything else we might hear them doing from the next room. HA-CHA!
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		<title>by: Troy Wilson</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-463906</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;So I would ask, who is the target audience of Ware’s anthology?&quot;

BEST AMERICAN COMICS 2007 is in big bold letters, while Edited by Chris Ware is in itty bitty letters.   Maybe EDITED BY CHRIS WARE should be in big type too, just to emphasize even further that it is indeed Ware's anthology this time out.  (And yes, I'd make the same typographical recommendation re: the editor of BEST AMERICAN SHORT STORIES, etc, etc.)   

&quot;Everything’s not for everybody. And that’s great!&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So I would ask, who is the target audience of Ware’s anthology?&#8221;</p>
<p>BEST AMERICAN COMICS 2007 is in big bold letters, while Edited by Chris Ware is in itty bitty letters.   Maybe EDITED BY CHRIS WARE should be in big type too, just to emphasize even further that it is indeed Ware&#8217;s anthology this time out.  (And yes, I&#8217;d make the same typographical recommendation re: the editor of BEST AMERICAN SHORT STORIES, etc, etc.)   </p>
<p>&#8220;Everything’s not for everybody. And that’s great!&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen.
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		<title>by: Foot2Mouth - A Mouth Kicking Comics and Gaming News Source &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Comics Blogsphere Finally Admits that Most Indie Comics are Awful</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-463856</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] This has created quite the chaotic backlash over at The Beat. The initial post has over 100 often angry responses, check it here. And the follow up post is becoming just as popular as it nears 50 responses, check it here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This has created quite the chaotic backlash over at The Beat. The initial post has over 100 often angry responses, check it here. And the follow up post is becoming just as popular as it nears 50 responses, check it here. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Leigh Walton</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-463400</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My response turned into &lt;a href=&quot;http://picturepoetry.wordpress.com/2007/10/16/come-on-you-want-to-throw-pie-at-these-guys-too/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a blog post&lt;/a&gt;, if anyone's interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response turned into <a href="http://picturepoetry.wordpress.com/2007/10/16/come-on-you-want-to-throw-pie-at-these-guys-too/" rel="nofollow">a blog post</a>, if anyone&#8217;s interested.
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		<title>by: Come on, you want to throw pie at these guys too &#171; Picture Poetry</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-463386</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Heidi&amp;#8217;s much-maligned piece about Chris Ware&amp;#8217;s Best American Comics 2007 book for Houghton-Mifflin is the talk of the blogosphere. She&amp;#8217;s put up another post processing the attacks and defending herself a bit. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Heidi&#8217;s much-maligned piece about Chris Ware&#8217;s Best American Comics 2007 book for Houghton-Mifflin is the talk of the blogosphere. She&#8217;s put up another post processing the attacks and defending herself a bit. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Ford MF</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-463057</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Baker makes a good point in that.  I went through a point where I tried to read all the Nobel laureates, and found it was a fairly arbitrary indicator. Don't even get me started on the Pulitzer winners, which are mostly junk.  Even Oprah picks better books than the Pulitzer committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baker makes a good point in that.  I went through a point where I tried to read all the Nobel laureates, and found it was a fairly arbitrary indicator. Don&#8217;t even get me started on the Pulitzer winners, which are mostly junk.  Even Oprah picks better books than the Pulitzer committee.
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		<title>by: Kyle Baker</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-462986</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-462986</guid>
					<description>One thing always try to take into account is the intended audience of the reviewing publication. The type of comics that are featured in The New York Times, for example, are the type of books that the average New York Times reader might enjoy. If the Times did a feature story on Johnny Ryan, it probably wouldn't sell as many books for him as a blurb in The Onion, because people who read The Onion are much more likely to want outrageous counterculture humor. I love Ryan.

As someone who's done a broad range of work, I find that a reviewer's estimation of my &quot;best&quot; varies depending on the reviewer's intended audience. The Comics Journal will lean more toward my &quot;Why I Hate Saturn&quot; type wordplay and tales of frustrated nerds, while Entertainment Weekly will praise my &quot;King David&quot; and &quot;Nat Turner&quot;, which are more dramatic and more accessible to  the EW crowd. The Library Journal focuses more on &quot;Plastic Man&quot; and &quot;The Bakers&quot;, which would appeal to a younger audience. Nobody seems to like all my books equally well, except me, and that's fine and just as I planned.

So I would ask, who is the target audience of Ware's anthology? It is possible that the average Chris Ware fan might find Jeff Smith's book unappealing, just as I, a Jeff Smith fan, find most of Chris Ware's favorites unappealing. I also find most Oscar-winning movies boring, because I like action and comedy. I think many prize-winning novelists are dull. My favorite comic these days is &quot;Dilbert&quot;. The best graphic novels I've read lately are by Joe Kubert!

Everything's not for everybody. And that's great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing always try to take into account is the intended audience of the reviewing publication. The type of comics that are featured in The New York Times, for example, are the type of books that the average New York Times reader might enjoy. If the Times did a feature story on Johnny Ryan, it probably wouldn&#8217;t sell as many books for him as a blurb in The Onion, because people who read The Onion are much more likely to want outrageous counterculture humor. I love Ryan.</p>
<p>As someone who&#8217;s done a broad range of work, I find that a reviewer&#8217;s estimation of my &#8220;best&#8221; varies depending on the reviewer&#8217;s intended audience. The Comics Journal will lean more toward my &#8220;Why I Hate Saturn&#8221; type wordplay and tales of frustrated nerds, while Entertainment Weekly will praise my &#8220;King David&#8221; and &#8220;Nat Turner&#8221;, which are more dramatic and more accessible to  the EW crowd. The Library Journal focuses more on &#8220;Plastic Man&#8221; and &#8220;The Bakers&#8221;, which would appeal to a younger audience. Nobody seems to like all my books equally well, except me, and that&#8217;s fine and just as I planned.</p>
<p>So I would ask, who is the target audience of Ware&#8217;s anthology? It is possible that the average Chris Ware fan might find Jeff Smith&#8217;s book unappealing, just as I, a Jeff Smith fan, find most of Chris Ware&#8217;s favorites unappealing. I also find most Oscar-winning movies boring, because I like action and comedy. I think many prize-winning novelists are dull. My favorite comic these days is &#8220;Dilbert&#8221;. The best graphic novels I&#8217;ve read lately are by Joe Kubert!</p>
<p>Everything&#8217;s not for everybody. And that&#8217;s great!
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		<title>by: Bill</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-462785</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As a young freelancer trying to make it big I am writing graphic novels about evolving monsters on mars, brightly colored imps running around harlem, and female han-solo-esque assassin.

It seems any creators who chimed in, as far as I could tell from linked websites attached to the comment, were generally pleased that comics of any ilk were getting such thought-out, well or not depending on your tastes, discourse, and the people who seemed to have popped a vessel or three were not so tempered. And here I thought we artists were the passionate ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a young freelancer trying to make it big I am writing graphic novels about evolving monsters on mars, brightly colored imps running around harlem, and female han-solo-esque assassin.</p>
<p>It seems any creators who chimed in, as far as I could tell from linked websites attached to the comment, were generally pleased that comics of any ilk were getting such thought-out, well or not depending on your tastes, discourse, and the people who seemed to have popped a vessel or three were not so tempered. And here I thought we artists were the passionate ones.
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		<title>by: Justin Sherrill</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-462625</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>“What I don’t like is the trend of valuing expressionism, formalism and “comica verité” for their own sake at the expense of what I would call “mainstream fiction”, or formally conventional but narratively complex stories.”

I would point out that there is a market trend that reinforces this:  The ongoing high-quality reprints of older newspaper strips.  Flash Gordon, Little Nemo, Gasoline Alley - all of them are relatively conventional strips that are quite complex, and the reprints are commanding high prices because there's no other way to get it.  

For example: The original Fantagraphics Thimble Theater reprints were cheap things that I'd find remaindered 10 years ago, and now the exact same content is going into a fancy hardcover with an expanded price.  (not that I won't spend money on it - I yam what I yam.) 

Jeff Smith's Bone gets brought up here, and I'd say its one of the few modern comics that have a long, developed story, similar to Usagi Yojimbo, or Finder.  

There's a lot of comics these days that are focused on the author's feelings on a certain event, leaving narrative behind except as a structure to hang those feelings on.  I'd argue that the Fort Thunder-style comics are an extreme example of that.

Heidi is describing that people are ignoring the unique potential of narrative in comics.  I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“What I don’t like is the trend of valuing expressionism, formalism and “comica verité” for their own sake at the expense of what I would call “mainstream fiction”, or formally conventional but narratively complex stories.”</p>
<p>I would point out that there is a market trend that reinforces this:  The ongoing high-quality reprints of older newspaper strips.  Flash Gordon, Little Nemo, Gasoline Alley - all of them are relatively conventional strips that are quite complex, and the reprints are commanding high prices because there&#8217;s no other way to get it.  </p>
<p>For example: The original Fantagraphics Thimble Theater reprints were cheap things that I&#8217;d find remaindered 10 years ago, and now the exact same content is going into a fancy hardcover with an expanded price.  (not that I won&#8217;t spend money on it - I yam what I yam.) </p>
<p>Jeff Smith&#8217;s Bone gets brought up here, and I&#8217;d say its one of the few modern comics that have a long, developed story, similar to Usagi Yojimbo, or Finder.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of comics these days that are focused on the author&#8217;s feelings on a certain event, leaving narrative behind except as a structure to hang those feelings on.  I&#8217;d argue that the Fort Thunder-style comics are an extreme example of that.</p>
<p>Heidi is describing that people are ignoring the unique potential of narrative in comics.  I agree.
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		<title>by: Dan Nadel</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-462607</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, I'm not going to get into the bulk of Heidi's argument, though the discussion it's engendered if interesting and worthwhile even if I don't agree with much of the specifics. But I will say that I think Heidi is mis-characterizing Brian Chippendale, C.F. and Fort Thunder as a whole. Here's why it's not a dead-end: 

For me, those artists opened up the field to un-embarrassed explorations of genre, politics, spirituality and mark-making in a way that's had a profound effect on cartoonists of their generation. I think both Kevin Huizenga and Sammy Harkham have spoken eloquently about the effect of that work on their own practice. To reduce them to just &quot;expressionism&quot; is to miss the point entirely. I can't think of any other cartoonists of the last 20 years (except Panter) who have so seamlessly melded drawing, &quot;low&quot; genre, storytelling and profound meaning. One only has to read the comics to see that, many of which, like Powr Mastrs, are told in a straighforward, almost classic manner. Is Chippendale hard to read sometimes? Sure, but so is Donald Barthelme and James Joyce. So what? The point is that the Providence explosion set an example of another way of making and thinking about comics, one apart from the dominant examples of Ware, Clowes, Crumb, and the like. They added diversity and unabashed energy to the mix. Without them, I think the medium would be a far lesser place.</description>
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<p>For me, those artists opened up the field to un-embarrassed explorations of genre, politics, spirituality and mark-making in a way that&#8217;s had a profound effect on cartoonists of their generation. I think both Kevin Huizenga and Sammy Harkham have spoken eloquently about the effect of that work on their own practice. To reduce them to just &#8220;expressionism&#8221; is to miss the point entirely. I can&#8217;t think of any other cartoonists of the last 20 years (except Panter) who have so seamlessly melded drawing, &#8220;low&#8221; genre, storytelling and profound meaning. One only has to read the comics to see that, many of which, like Powr Mastrs, are told in a straighforward, almost classic manner. Is Chippendale hard to read sometimes? Sure, but so is Donald Barthelme and James Joyce. So what? The point is that the Providence explosion set an example of another way of making and thinking about comics, one apart from the dominant examples of Ware, Clowes, Crumb, and the like. They added diversity and unabashed energy to the mix. Without them, I think the medium would be a far lesser place.
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		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/10/15/their-brains-were-on-fire/#comment-462595</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's kind of a drag that whenever I see someone else talking about this post and the one that started the argument described as &quot;yielding mostly negative comments.&quot;  Okay, I guess it's true to an extent.  But the dissent was not unanimous and the tirade was not entirely without supporters, like myself, despite having my own reservations with some of the claims.

I find the debate not unlike the outrage that welled up in the wake of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theamericanscholar.org/au07/wonder-bukiet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this entirely right-on article in the American Scholar&lt;/a&gt; about a particular school of young American novelists.  Limiting the argument to &quot;American&quot; comics makes it an easier target to poke at.  I think closer to the truth is that the current generation of capital-A &quot;Artists&quot;, regardless of genre or medium, kinda suck.

And, sure, as soon as someone says that, people can be like &quot;What about X, Y and Z?&quot;  Yeah, there are young artists I love (few, admittedly), but as a whole this generation is shaping up to be even more void than the Boomers.  Comics are merely an aspect of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of a drag that whenever I see someone else talking about this post and the one that started the argument described as &#8220;yielding mostly negative comments.&#8221;  Okay, I guess it&#8217;s true to an extent.  But the dissent was not unanimous and the tirade was not entirely without supporters, like myself, despite having my own reservations with some of the claims.</p>
<p>I find the debate not unlike the outrage that welled up in the wake of <a href="http://www.theamericanscholar.org/au07/wonder-bukiet.html" rel="nofollow">this entirely right-on article in the American Scholar</a> about a particular school of young American novelists.  Limiting the argument to &#8220;American&#8221; comics makes it an easier target to poke at.  I think closer to the truth is that the current generation of capital-A &#8220;Artists&#8221;, regardless of genre or medium, kinda suck.</p>
<p>And, sure, as soon as someone says that, people can be like &#8220;What about X, Y and Z?&#8221;  Yeah, there are young artists I love (few, admittedly), but as a whole this generation is shaping up to be even more void than the Boomers.  Comics are merely an aspect of that.
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