Comments on: Sundays with Rob http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:47:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Gary http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597331 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:45:48 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597331 Yes! LOL with a dash of Andy Warhol too. Yes! LOL with a dash of Andy Warhol too.

]]> by: Brian Spence http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597309 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:00:40 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597309 ooooooowwwwwww, that hurts. ooooooowwwwwww, that hurts.

]]> by: Al http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597274 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:03:56 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597274 Just saw this Spice girls photo. Tell me, the Spice girl on the far right, Beckham Spice, isn't she looking a little Liefeldish? http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00380/Spice_Girls_380906a.jpg Just saw this Spice girls photo. Tell me, the Spice girl on the far right, Beckham Spice, isn’t she looking a little Liefeldish?
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00380/Spice_Girls_380906a.jpg

]]> by: Joe S. Walker http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597262 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:43:36 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597262 Looking at too much Rob Liefeld art makes me feel slightly ill, but... in a way I think he gets superhero comics - that they should be full of things leaping off the page and feel as if they're drawn in a hurry. His work has a basic vitality. Compared to the dreadful pretentiousness and fake-classicism of Alex Ross, or the innumerable artists who turn out boringly photo-realistic mock-movie storyboards, he doesn't come off badly at all. Looking at too much Rob Liefeld art makes me feel slightly ill, but… in a way I think he gets superhero comics - that they should be full of things leaping off the page and feel as if they’re drawn in a hurry. His work has a basic vitality. Compared to the dreadful pretentiousness and fake-classicism of Alex Ross, or the innumerable artists who turn out boringly photo-realistic mock-movie storyboards, he doesn’t come off badly at all.

]]> by: rich http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597260 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:41:27 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597260 from Wikipedia: "Rob Liefeld, (born October 3, 1967) is an American comic book writer, illustrator, and publisher. A prominent artist in the 1990s, he has since become a controversial figure in the medium." Controversial? Meaning ... no one likes his work any longer? Everyone's taste changed when they grew up? from Wikipedia:
“Rob Liefeld, (born October 3, 1967) is an American comic book writer, illustrator, and publisher. A prominent artist in the 1990s, he has since become a controversial figure in the medium.”

Controversial? Meaning … no one likes his work any longer? Everyone’s taste changed when they grew up?

]]> by: Al http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597162 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:36:56 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597162 Very funny article, and very astute observations. Very funny article, and very astute observations.

]]> by: Brian Jacoby from Secret Headquarters Tallahassee, Florida http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597153 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:23:33 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597153 My throat is now sore from laughing so hard! My throat is now sore from laughing so hard!

]]> by: Liz http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597107 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:09:40 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597107 I had the greatest moment just now where I was reading this entry and my screen was only scrolled to just above her waist, and I thought to myself, "Why that drawing's not SO bad!" Then I scrolled down. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I had the greatest moment just now where I was reading this entry and my screen was only scrolled to just above her waist, and I thought to myself, “Why that drawing’s not SO bad!”

Then I scrolled down.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

]]> by: Pedro Bouça http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597065 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:18:10 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-597065 Rob Liefeld IS the modern-day Fletcher Hanks. Live with that! Best, Hunter (Pedro Bouça) Rob Liefeld IS the modern-day Fletcher Hanks. Live with that!

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

]]> by: Doctor http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596613 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:32:18 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596613 Here is where Liefeld enters the realm of "so bad it's good": http://jrients.blogspot.com/2007/02/oh-my-god-no-seriously.html Here is where Liefeld enters the realm of “so bad it’s good”:

http://jrients.blogspot.com/2007/02/oh-my-god-no-seriously.html

]]> by: Bill http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596612 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:29:54 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596612 The Leifeld crimes and this: http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html were the first things I looked at this morning, and made a brilliant follow-up to Ellis's Sunday Hangover on SG. Hell of a morning. The Leifeld crimes and this: http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html were the first things I looked at this morning, and made a brilliant follow-up to Ellis’s Sunday Hangover on SG.

Hell of a morning.

]]> by: michael http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596597 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:11:33 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596597 LOL! Liefeld art always is a laugh to look at. ;) LOL!

Liefeld art always is a laugh to look at. ;)

]]> by: Matt B http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596503 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:23:20 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596503 I think the 2nd biggest problem with his art (1st being anatomy), is that he was staring at art by Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane and trying to make the marks Jim Lee made, without always understanding why a particular mark would be made in a particular place. Like those vertical lines down from her left armpit and on her left leg,... he had a chance to model the form and increase the illusion of volume there, even without cross hatching, but spacing the lines evenly just flattens out the art. Same thing with the cross hatching on her left forearm; he had a chance to add volume by curling the lines, or using shorter hatches at gradually increased angles, but he didn't. And it happens in just about everything he did back then, so it just makes me think he thought "there should probably be some lines there," so he just put lines there, without fully knowing why, and without fully knowing how to make the lines achieve the effect he wanted. I guess overall the big problem is that it looks like he learned to draw by copying Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane, and didn't check back in with reality often enough to keep his art grounded. Success seemed to reduce any motivation to improve his art? Like if he admits he can't draw feet so well, why not go, you know, learn how to draw feet? Life drawing would have helped a lot (hand studies, feet studies, all that). Studying a wider variety of comic art mark-making would have helped, too. You see this a lot in manga, too, especially at cons, where you can sometimes really tell an artist has taught themselves to draw by copying anime and manga, and allowing no other influences. Art school admissions staff must tear out their hair over all the DBZ and Naruto art they see in portfolios... I think the 2nd biggest problem with his art (1st being anatomy), is that he was staring at art by Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane and trying to make the marks Jim Lee made, without always understanding why a particular mark would be made in a particular place. Like those vertical lines down from her left armpit and on her left leg,… he had a chance to model the form and increase the illusion of volume there, even without cross hatching, but spacing the lines evenly just flattens out the art. Same thing with the cross hatching on her left forearm; he had a chance to add volume by curling the lines, or using shorter hatches at gradually increased angles, but he didn’t. And it happens in just about everything he did back then, so it just makes me think he thought “there should probably be some lines there,” so he just put lines there, without fully knowing why, and without fully knowing how to make the lines achieve the effect he wanted.

I guess overall the big problem is that it looks like he learned to draw by copying Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane, and didn’t check back in with reality often enough to keep his art grounded. Success seemed to reduce any motivation to improve his art? Like if he admits he can’t draw feet so well, why not go, you know, learn how to draw feet? Life drawing would have helped a lot (hand studies, feet studies, all that). Studying a wider variety of comic art mark-making would have helped, too.

You see this a lot in manga, too, especially at cons, where you can sometimes really tell an artist has taught themselves to draw by copying anime and manga, and allowing no other influences. Art school admissions staff must tear out their hair over all the DBZ and Naruto art they see in portfolios…

]]> by: Alan Coil http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596356 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:20:47 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596356 Well, pretty much all of us. Well, pretty much all of us.

]]> by: groonk http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596300 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:20:01 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596300 i think it's possible that Lefield is Hanks reincarnated. and they laughed at us behind their 90s popularity. who's laughing now, fools? who's laughing now. i think it’s possible that Lefield is Hanks reincarnated. and they laughed at us behind their 90s popularity.

who’s laughing now, fools?

who’s laughing now.

]]> by: ryan http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596282 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:03:07 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596282 this is basically the greatest piece of comics journalism to date-- We read it at like 3AM on Friday night and were hunched over in pain from laughing so hard. the best chaser is to check out Liefield's picture on wikipedia right after reading the list. OH JEEEEZ this is basically the greatest piece of comics journalism to date– We read it at like 3AM on Friday night and were hunched over in pain from laughing so hard.

the best chaser is to check out Liefield’s picture on wikipedia right after reading the list. OH JEEEEZ

]]> by: Shelly http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596112 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:12:27 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596112 Is she supposed to have internal organs? I don't see how that would be possible, at least, not as typically located in humans. Is she supposed to have internal organs? I don’t see how that would be possible, at least, not as typically located in humans.

]]> by: Jamie Coville http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596089 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:39:53 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596089 No. Fletcher was strange, but he could draw. Liefeld, Bleh! That website did bad job too, there are much worse Liefeld drawings they never found and some of the stuff up there was among his 'better' stuff. No. Fletcher was strange, but he could draw. Liefeld, Bleh!

That website did bad job too, there are much worse Liefeld drawings they never found and some of the stuff up there was among his ‘better’ stuff.

]]> by: Jordan D. White http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596086 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:36:06 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596086 I laughed my ass off reading this article. I cannot thank you enough for linking to it and pointing it out. Holy crap, was that funny. I laughed my ass off reading this article. I cannot thank you enough for linking to it and pointing it out. Holy crap, was that funny.

]]> by: Torsten Adair http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596078 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:27:23 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/12/02/sundays-with-rob/#comment-596078 Hmmm. Looking at it on my cell, I was thinking S&M fetish. Maybe he should change genres? Hmmm. Looking at it on my cell, I was thinking S&M fetish. Maybe he should change genres?

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