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		<title>by: Mindy Newell</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey, Heidi,

Yeah, I saw that article about Gail....and I have to admit that I was a little p.o'd, and considered writing the TIMES...but didn't, because I was afraid it would could be interpreted as sour grapes.

This is nothing against Gail, a terrific writer, and who deserves every accolade she gets...you go, Gail!!!!  

I do think, however, that it is endemic to the PR machine of DC Comics.  It makes better copy to forget that Trina and I both worked on WONDER WOMAN in the 80's...in other words, it's the &quot;draw&quot; of the article, y'know?  Unfair, not true, but there it is.

By the way, tell Joanne that I wrote the last few issues of WONDER WOMAN before the book was cancelled in preparation for George's relaunch.  

And working with George (and Karen Berger) on the Amazon Princess  was one of the BEST EXPERIENCES I EVER HAD IN THE COMICS INDUSTRY!!!!!

Anyway, again, kudos to Gail!!!!

Mindy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Heidi,</p>
<p>Yeah, I saw that article about Gail&#8230;.and I have to admit that I was a little p.o&#8217;d, and considered writing the TIMES&#8230;but didn&#8217;t, because I was afraid it would could be interpreted as sour grapes.</p>
<p>This is nothing against Gail, a terrific writer, and who deserves every accolade she gets&#8230;you go, Gail!!!!  </p>
<p>I do think, however, that it is endemic to the PR machine of DC Comics.  It makes better copy to forget that Trina and I both worked on WONDER WOMAN in the 80&#8217;s&#8230;in other words, it&#8217;s the &#8220;draw&#8221; of the article, y&#8217;know?  Unfair, not true, but there it is.</p>
<p>By the way, tell Joanne that I wrote the last few issues of WONDER WOMAN before the book was cancelled in preparation for George&#8217;s relaunch.  </p>
<p>And working with George (and Karen Berger) on the Amazon Princess  was one of the BEST EXPERIENCES I EVER HAD IN THE COMICS INDUSTRY!!!!!</p>
<p>Anyway, again, kudos to Gail!!!!</p>
<p>Mindy
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		<title>by: Poison Ivy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The target audience (teenage girls) has already been reading manga, that's the point. 

The big open question is the same as it was for males 15 years ago when Maus won the Pulitzer. Is the same audience who read superhero comics willing to read serious graphic novels? Or just more superheroes in fancier formats? Or is it a different audience that nevertheless can be reached because it is already familiar with a version of the graphic format? As teenage girls are familiar with manga?

DC wins either way because Minx has high-quality storytelling. If the books sell, great. If they don't, they get the rep of having been a noble artistic experiment and DC gains artistic kudos. Deservedly, I might add.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The target audience (teenage girls) has already been reading manga, that&#8217;s the point. </p>
<p>The big open question is the same as it was for males 15 years ago when Maus won the Pulitzer. Is the same audience who read superhero comics willing to read serious graphic novels? Or just more superheroes in fancier formats? Or is it a different audience that nevertheless can be reached because it is already familiar with a version of the graphic format? As teenage girls are familiar with manga?</p>
<p>DC wins either way because Minx has high-quality storytelling. If the books sell, great. If they don&#8217;t, they get the rep of having been a noble artistic experiment and DC gains artistic kudos. Deservedly, I might add.
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		<title>by: michael</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;&quot;so I don’t know how well the books are selling either in the direct market or in the bigger bookstore field.&quot;&quot;

I would think this would be the only true indicator of success.  Also, I think one would not hear from the 'target audience' unless one was so inclined to patrol the endless teen webblogs in cyberspace. Even so...

The thing of it is, I've liked some of the Minx comics and that is not a good thing. That says to me that they are good comics with a-way-out-of-bounds marketing scheme. I've seen jsut about every target audience reading comics on subways, buses, etc., but rarely does one catch a teen girl reading comics, and if so, it's usually manga.

I think the whole idea of the line is a good one, but I also think that you are deluding yourself if you think that you can get a target audience into a hobby where none existed in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;so I don’t know how well the books are selling either in the direct market or in the bigger bookstore field.&#8221;"</p>
<p>I would think this would be the only true indicator of success.  Also, I think one would not hear from the &#8216;target audience&#8217; unless one was so inclined to patrol the endless teen webblogs in cyberspace. Even so&#8230;</p>
<p>The thing of it is, I&#8217;ve liked some of the Minx comics and that is not a good thing. That says to me that they are good comics with a-way-out-of-bounds marketing scheme. I&#8217;ve seen jsut about every target audience reading comics on subways, buses, etc., but rarely does one catch a teen girl reading comics, and if so, it&#8217;s usually manga.</p>
<p>I think the whole idea of the line is a good one, but I also think that you are deluding yourself if you think that you can get a target audience into a hobby where none existed in the first place.
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		<title>by: Monday Links &#171; Graphic Fiction</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] I mentioned over the weekend how the New York Times was fudging the claim that Gail Simone was the first female Wonder Woman writer in the title&amp;#8217;s 66-year history. Heidi MacDonald at The Beat gives a good roundup of several people who also took issue with that claim (and, separately, some folks writing about the Minx line). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I mentioned over the weekend how the New York Times was fudging the claim that Gail Simone was the first female Wonder Woman writer in the title&#8217;s 66-year history. Heidi MacDonald at The Beat gives a good roundup of several people who also took issue with that claim (and, separately, some folks writing about the Minx line). [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Kat Kan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As for the Minx books, you obviously haven't been reading library review journals, where we've been raving about some of the books.  Re-Gifters got a starred review in Booklist, the review journal of the American Library Association (and no, I didn't write the review, one of my highly esteemed colleagues did).  I gave Plain Janes a 5 for Quality (highest ranking) in my review column for Voice of Youth Advocates.  I've also been praising Good as Lily as one of my personal favorite graphic novels of the year.  The books are appearing on recommended lists for school and public libraries.  I'm seeing more of the books in bookstores now.  So maybe the line isn't a huge hit, but it's getting a positive buzz outside the direct market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the Minx books, you obviously haven&#8217;t been reading library review journals, where we&#8217;ve been raving about some of the books.  Re-Gifters got a starred review in Booklist, the review journal of the American Library Association (and no, I didn&#8217;t write the review, one of my highly esteemed colleagues did).  I gave Plain Janes a 5 for Quality (highest ranking) in my review column for Voice of Youth Advocates.  I&#8217;ve also been praising Good as Lily as one of my personal favorite graphic novels of the year.  The books are appearing on recommended lists for school and public libraries.  I&#8217;m seeing more of the books in bookstores now.  So maybe the line isn&#8217;t a huge hit, but it&#8217;s getting a positive buzz outside the direct market.
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		<title>by: Tommy Raiko</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just to nitpick, that long-winded observation about Mindy Newell and Trina Robbins over on Johanna's site was from, well, me in her comments section and not Johanna herself. Anyway, she's got a great site.

As for &quot;But it does tend to point out the 'There can be only one!' attitude towards female scripters in the superhero biz, as well as how easily previous milestones can be forgotten. &quot;  I suspect that part of the problem is a trend more general than anything having to do with working women, or the comics biz. I do think that often media like to build stories around superlatives--firsts, biggests, bests--sometimes going through some all sorts of gyrations so as to be able to claim some superlative. It does seem to be a trend larger than just any one kind of topic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to nitpick, that long-winded observation about Mindy Newell and Trina Robbins over on Johanna&#8217;s site was from, well, me in her comments section and not Johanna herself. Anyway, she&#8217;s got a great site.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;But it does tend to point out the &#8216;There can be only one!&#8217; attitude towards female scripters in the superhero biz, as well as how easily previous milestones can be forgotten. &#8221;  I suspect that part of the problem is a trend more general than anything having to do with working women, or the comics biz. I do think that often media like to build stories around superlatives&#8211;firsts, biggests, bests&#8211;sometimes going through some all sorts of gyrations so as to be able to claim some superlative. It does seem to be a trend larger than just any one kind of topic&#8230;
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