Comments on: Who reports on the reporters? http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:17:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Alan Coil http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-955879 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:47:23 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-955879 "For example, I don’t even remember the “news” portion of one article because they kept using “past” instead of “passed”." --- Misteaks happen. “For example, I don’t even remember the “news” portion of one article because they kept using “past” instead of “passed”.”
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Misteaks happen.

]]> by: Unpopular http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-951543 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:56:14 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-951543 "The bottom line here is, if you bring something up in a public forum such as a con panel, something which is pretty much an open press conference, it should be considered news to be reported on at Newsarama." No, that is not the "bottom line", and it's funny some people see it that way. The real "bottom line" is that Mr. Willingham sharing certain things was contingent upon everyone agreeing that it doesn't leave the room. The creators are doing these convention appearances for the fans. Why piss them off for a frickin' newsbite! Here's a newsbite--Spoilers aren't news; they're just bleedin' SPOILERS. I read Fables, and I don't want to know what he said. Even if I was in the damn room, I would've closed my ears. It's not the right of the web-savvy to know everything about everything; it's a privilege. If you want to know what is said at conventions, then go to one and find out. You don't even know the half of what is left out of some of these panels because it doesn't flow well within the article or because the "reporter" doesn't think it's important. At least this guy was doing the honorable thing. If he wanted to do the smart thing, he would've just left out the entire exchange, and he could have avoided the public flogging. Why not complain about something important...like how some convention panel reporters need a copy editor. Seriously, how difficult is it to proofread this stuff? It pains me to read some of those posts. For example, I don't even remember the "news" portion of one article because they kept using "past" instead of "passed". I agree with Jason A. Quest. “The bottom line here is, if you bring something up in a public forum such as a con panel, something which is pretty much an open press conference, it should be considered news to be reported on at Newsarama.”

No, that is not the “bottom line”, and it’s funny some people see it that way.

The real “bottom line” is that Mr. Willingham sharing certain things was contingent upon everyone agreeing that it doesn’t leave the room. The creators are doing these convention appearances for the fans. Why piss them off for a frickin’ newsbite! Here’s a newsbite–Spoilers aren’t news; they’re just bleedin’ SPOILERS.

I read Fables, and I don’t want to know what he said. Even if I was in the damn room, I would’ve closed my ears. It’s not the right of the web-savvy to know everything about everything; it’s a privilege.

If you want to know what is said at conventions, then go to one and find out. You don’t even know the half of what is left out of some of these panels because it doesn’t flow well within the article or because the “reporter” doesn’t think it’s important. At least this guy was doing the honorable thing. If he wanted to do the smart thing, he would’ve just left out the entire exchange, and he could have avoided the public flogging.

Why not complain about something important…like how some convention panel reporters need a copy editor. Seriously, how difficult is it to proofread this stuff? It pains me to read some of those posts. For example, I don’t even remember the “news” portion of one article because they kept using “past” instead of “passed”.

I agree with Jason A. Quest.

]]> by: Jamie Coville http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-950445 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:53:48 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-950445 Sometimes it can depend on what's being revealed too. In conventions I've gone to, one creator mentioned a major international corporation they worked for had them do re-writes for a major movie without credit. They also said they didn't like some of the product the company put out. The creator ask that nobody reveal spread this online, fearing they would get fired if it got out. Another was a creator revealing planned story lines for a very short lived but now canceled series. Were these things really worth revealing? Sometimes it can depend on what’s being revealed too. In conventions I’ve gone to, one creator mentioned a major international corporation they worked for had them do re-writes for a major movie without credit. They also said they didn’t like some of the product the company put out. The creator ask that nobody reveal spread this online, fearing they would get fired if it got out.

Another was a creator revealing planned story lines for a very short lived but now canceled series.

Were these things really worth revealing?

]]> by: James Van Hise http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-949567 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:45:38 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-949567 Actually, the way "off the record" works is that it is stated in advance and the other party has to agree to it first, not afterwards. The Nixon administrated got embarrassed over a phony letter writing campaign the White House created in support of Nixon (the letters were supposed to be from ordinary Americans, not paid WH staffers spitting them out as a PR stunt) and it blew up when the press secretary mentioned it to a reporter in a bar and then tried to say AFTERWARDS that it was off the record. Too late! It made headlines the next day. Actually, the way “off the record” works is that it is stated in advance and the other party has to agree to it first, not afterwards. The Nixon administrated got embarrassed over a phony letter writing campaign the White House created in support of Nixon (the letters were supposed to be from ordinary Americans, not paid WH staffers spitting them out as a PR stunt) and it blew up when the press secretary mentioned it to a reporter in a bar and then tried to say AFTERWARDS that it was off the record. Too late! It made headlines the next day.

]]> by: Joe Lawler http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948859 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:29:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948859 By Monday, I meant today. By Monday, I meant today.

]]> by: Joe Lawler http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948845 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:28:02 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948845 Yeah, but does Graeme call himself a journalist? He writes for Blog@Newsarama, not News@Newsarama. I'm sure Rich will fill us all in on Monday, unless he decides to keep it quiet too. Yeah, but does Graeme call himself a journalist? He writes for Blog@Newsarama, not News@Newsarama.

I’m sure Rich will fill us all in on Monday, unless he decides to keep it quiet too.

]]> by: Chuck Moore http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948465 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:15:09 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948465 If a politician slipped in a press conference and unveiled something he/she shouldn't then asked the reporters present not to repeat it, how long do you think that would last? It would be on CNN within minutes. Journalism should be journalism regardless of the topic covered. It's the responsibility of the individual creator to withhold what they don't want public. If a politician slipped in a press conference and unveiled something he/she shouldn’t then asked the reporters present not to repeat it, how long do you think that would last? It would be on CNN within minutes.

Journalism should be journalism regardless of the topic covered. It’s the responsibility of the individual creator to withhold what they don’t want public.

]]> by: Chuck Moore http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948436 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:13:18 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948436 If a politician slipped in a press conference and unveiled something he shouldn't then asked the reporters present not to repeat it, how long do you think that would last? It would be on CNN within minutes. Journalism should be journalism regardless of the topic covered. It's the responsibility of the creator to withhold what he/she doesn't want public. If a politician slipped in a press conference and unveiled something he shouldn’t then asked the reporters present not to repeat it, how long do you think that would last? It would be on CNN within minutes.

Journalism should be journalism regardless of the topic covered. It’s the responsibility of the creator to withhold what he/she doesn’t want public.

]]> by: Jason A. Quest http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948095 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:31:10 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948095 I think it's kind of sad that a reporter is being yelled at for... respecting a creator's request to keep something off the record. I'm all for an adversarial relationship between the media and their subjects, but this isn't government misconduct we're talking about. It's spoilers. And the fanboy entitlement mentality that demands them like this is just... sad. I think it’s kind of sad that a reporter is being yelled at for… respecting a creator’s request to keep something off the record. I’m all for an adversarial relationship between the media and their subjects, but this isn’t government misconduct we’re talking about. It’s spoilers. And the fanboy entitlement mentality that demands them like this is just… sad.

]]> by: Brian Davison http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948081 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:26:28 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948081 "Demand to know crap"? The bottom line here is, if you bring something up in a public forum such as a con panel, something which is pretty much an open press conference, it should be considered news to be reported on at Newsarama. If the information came from a private, off-the-record phone conversation, then it should be considered pure rumor and left to the whims of gossip columnists. “Demand to know crap”?

The bottom line here is, if you bring something up in a public forum such as a con panel, something which is pretty much an open press conference, it should be considered news to be reported on at Newsarama.

If the information came from a private, off-the-record phone conversation, then it should be considered pure rumor and left to the whims of gossip columnists.

]]> by: Alan Coil http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948038 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:13:16 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-948038 As usual, Torsten Adair has more questions than he knows what to do with. ===== ===== Separately, this "I demand to know" crap is getting real old. Just about every poster these days thinks it is all about them. It isn't. It's about the information. And you don't need all the information, all the time. The next unreasonable demand will be that the writers put their scripts online the week before the comic comes out, and that the artists "preview" all the pages of their art online the week before the comic comes out, thus taking away all the suspense of reading the comic. As usual, Torsten Adair has more questions than he knows what to do with.
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Separately, this “I demand to know” crap is getting real old. Just about every poster these days thinks it is all about them. It isn’t. It’s about the information. And you don’t need all the information, all the time.

The next unreasonable demand will be that the writers put their scripts online the week before the comic comes out, and that the artists “preview” all the pages of their art online the week before the comic comes out, thus taking away all the suspense of reading the comic.

]]> by: Torsten Adair http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-947799 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:20:59 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/25/who-reports-on-the-reporters/#comment-947799 Interesting. It was said in a public forum, so confidentiality can not be claimed. (I suspect there is video of the panel.) Had they met in a parking garage, or if the story was embargoed, then the rules change. How many blogsters did not honor the author's wishes? How many posted spoiler warnings? How many more people will read the story because of all this? Interesting. It was said in a public forum, so confidentiality can not be claimed. (I suspect there is video of the panel.) Had they met in a parking garage, or if the story was embargoed, then the rules change.
How many blogsters did not honor the author’s wishes? How many posted spoiler warnings? How many more people will read the story because of all this?

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