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		<title>by: como seducir a una mujer</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-3370098</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I found your blog on google and read a few of your other posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Keep up the good work. Look forward to reading more from you in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your blog on google and read a few of your other posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Keep up the good work. Look forward to reading more from you in the future.
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		<title>by: nana</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1823647</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Unpopular</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1176711</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>America is run by prejudice.  People look at you weird if you say you want to stay at home and read (whether book, comic, manga, etc.) on a friday night instead of going out.  The typical comic fanboy is still intimidated by that prejudice or secretly takes comfort in that prejudice.  As soon as readers of comics take pride in their fandom, the sooner that looming prejudice can be challenged and/or changed.  

That's just my opinion.  I could be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is run by prejudice.  People look at you weird if you say you want to stay at home and read (whether book, comic, manga, etc.) on a friday night instead of going out.  The typical comic fanboy is still intimidated by that prejudice or secretly takes comfort in that prejudice.  As soon as readers of comics take pride in their fandom, the sooner that looming prejudice can be challenged and/or changed.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just my opinion.  I could be wrong.
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		<title>by: Pedro Bouça</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1157368</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For those burned out on manga, there is a small trickle of european comics making its way to United States nowadays. With enough interest, it could become a flood...

I read comics from all procedences and the euros are my favorites! I've long hoped those could get popular on the US.

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those burned out on manga, there is a small trickle of european comics making its way to United States nowadays. With enough interest, it could become a flood&#8230;</p>
<p>I read comics from all procedences and the euros are my favorites! I&#8217;ve long hoped those could get popular on the US.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)
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		<title>by: Lea</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1152533</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Brigid, I have been a tireless supporter of manga for better than twenty years, starting when many current editors (and product-massagers) have been in grade and middle school.
I do not believe my current distaste will sink the market. If that were true, the only companies left would be ones that treated creators well.

Remember, I make comics. That usually means I can't afford them. Your very small sample of &lt;i&gt;review&lt;/i&gt; copies is about $110.00 worth of books. These are book this mere mortal has to buy, and she'd rather keep her house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brigid, I have been a tireless supporter of manga for better than twenty years, starting when many current editors (and product-massagers) have been in grade and middle school.<br />
I do not believe my current distaste will sink the market. If that were true, the only companies left would be ones that treated creators well.</p>
<p>Remember, I make comics. That usually means I can&#8217;t afford them. Your very small sample of <i>review</i> copies is about $110.00 worth of books. These are book this mere mortal has to buy, and she&#8217;d rather keep her house.
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		<title>by: Brigid</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1150730</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well said, Simon. You should get a blog.

Lea, I'm sorry you're getting burned out on manga. It's certainly easy to cast your gaze across the display racks at any chain store and see nothing but big eyes and big boobs. If you were to look at the stacks in my house, though, you would see a lot more variety: Right now, my review copies include After School Nightmare, Mushishi, the second volume of Kie Young Chon's oddball manhwa Audition, volume 2 of Suppli, the last four volumes of Emma, and two more manhwa by Hee Jung Park, Fever and Hotel Africa, which feature gorgeous art if somewhat befuddled storytelling. Yes, there's some fanservice in the stack (My Dearest Devil Princess is gazing up at me), but there's much more, including plenty of fresh storytelling. So don't give up on manga yet—just ignore the stuff you don't like and keep on digging. Because if we don't support the good stuff, your complaint will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Simon. You should get a blog.</p>
<p>Lea, I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re getting burned out on manga. It&#8217;s certainly easy to cast your gaze across the display racks at any chain store and see nothing but big eyes and big boobs. If you were to look at the stacks in my house, though, you would see a lot more variety: Right now, my review copies include After School Nightmare, Mushishi, the second volume of Kie Young Chon&#8217;s oddball manhwa Audition, volume 2 of Suppli, the last four volumes of Emma, and two more manhwa by Hee Jung Park, Fever and Hotel Africa, which feature gorgeous art if somewhat befuddled storytelling. Yes, there&#8217;s some fanservice in the stack (My Dearest Devil Princess is gazing up at me), but there&#8217;s much more, including plenty of fresh storytelling. So don&#8217;t give up on manga yet—just ignore the stuff you don&#8217;t like and keep on digging. Because if we don&#8217;t support the good stuff, your complaint will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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		<title>by: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1142799</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I always put down the success of manga being due to it's utterly mercenary nature. That's not to say there's a lack of art or anything to it, but it knows what it's audience wants. 

Adolescent boys! Here is some violence or possibly some sports or perhaps both! Here is an audience identificaiton character! Here is a girl! The girl will not be terribly complex but you will be 15 and will not care that much!

Adolescent girls! Here is some romance! Here is an audience identification character! Here is some soap opera! Here is a boy! The boy will likewise be able to be broken down into a few simple character traits but, again, you are 15 and will not care that much!

And so on for Porn and Yaoi and whatever. They know what the broader audience wants in a way that american comics don't seem to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always put down the success of manga being due to it&#8217;s utterly mercenary nature. That&#8217;s not to say there&#8217;s a lack of art or anything to it, but it knows what it&#8217;s audience wants. </p>
<p>Adolescent boys! Here is some violence or possibly some sports or perhaps both! Here is an audience identificaiton character! Here is a girl! The girl will not be terribly complex but you will be 15 and will not care that much!</p>
<p>Adolescent girls! Here is some romance! Here is an audience identification character! Here is some soap opera! Here is a boy! The boy will likewise be able to be broken down into a few simple character traits but, again, you are 15 and will not care that much!</p>
<p>And so on for Porn and Yaoi and whatever. They know what the broader audience wants in a way that american comics don&#8217;t seem to.
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		<title>by: Grant</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1142236</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>During the Naruto Nation thayng late last year, the Hipster Son and I went to this dinky shop in Atlanta on the second floor of a strip mall looking for cheap Heroclix singles and he asked the clerk what Naruto geegaws he had for sale.  The clerk mispronounced Naruto and my son corrected him.

&quot;Yeah, whatever, I don't know what all that stuff is,&quot; the guy said.

&quot;Thought you might know more about Naruto, what with it being the best-selling comic on the planet these days.&quot;

And the guy said, &quot;It's not a comic, it's a manga.&quot;

I mean, I *say* I'd hate to see a direct market store close, but on the other hand, when they've got it coming like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the Naruto Nation thayng late last year, the Hipster Son and I went to this dinky shop in Atlanta on the second floor of a strip mall looking for cheap Heroclix singles and he asked the clerk what Naruto geegaws he had for sale.  The clerk mispronounced Naruto and my son corrected him.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah, whatever, I don&#8217;t know what all that stuff is,&#8221; the guy said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Thought you might know more about Naruto, what with it being the best-selling comic on the planet these days.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the guy said, &#8220;It&#8217;s not a comic, it&#8217;s a manga.&#8221;</p>
<p>I mean, I *say* I&#8217;d hate to see a direct market store close, but on the other hand, when they&#8217;ve got it coming like that&#8230;
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		<title>by: Marcus Lusk</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1140068</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Joe Williams:&quot;I happen to think if comic shops featured huge pictures of Naruto and Sailor Moon in their windows instead of Wolverine maybe the audience would follow.&quot;

Yes, absolutely. 
And if most comic shops were even remotely female-friendly, they'd keep those new customers, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Williams:&#8221;I happen to think if comic shops featured huge pictures of Naruto and Sailor Moon in their windows instead of Wolverine maybe the audience would follow.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, absolutely.<br />
And if most comic shops were even remotely female-friendly, they&#8217;d keep those new customers, too.
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		<title>by: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1137927</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I happen to think if comic shops featured huge pictures of Naruto and Sailor Moon in their windows instead of Wolverine maybe the audience would follow.

I hereby predict (well, it's not really a prediction since I think it's already happening, but has anyone else noticed?) the next trend to be the merging of the 2 markets as more western publishers adopt the manga/digest size format while more Japanese comics get released in larger formats (I notice the Tezuka books I've seen tend to be larger size- this is one way to get the stuff that's for adults to stand out and perhaps sell in direct market stores that don't tend to stock regular manga.

I think the days of a chain comic store have passed. Heck, the once mighty Blockbuster can only survive by imitating Netflix, while many other media chain stores have long since passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to think if comic shops featured huge pictures of Naruto and Sailor Moon in their windows instead of Wolverine maybe the audience would follow.</p>
<p>I hereby predict (well, it&#8217;s not really a prediction since I think it&#8217;s already happening, but has anyone else noticed?) the next trend to be the merging of the 2 markets as more western publishers adopt the manga/digest size format while more Japanese comics get released in larger formats (I notice the Tezuka books I&#8217;ve seen tend to be larger size- this is one way to get the stuff that&#8217;s for adults to stand out and perhaps sell in direct market stores that don&#8217;t tend to stock regular manga.</p>
<p>I think the days of a chain comic store have passed. Heck, the once mighty Blockbuster can only survive by imitating Netflix, while many other media chain stores have long since passed.
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		<title>by: Bill Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1137916</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;2. How to advertise them to the demographic that reads them. Some stores rack manga, but don’t advertise that they have it in their store. That is essential, teenage girls are psychic and won’t know you have it in your store unless you tell them.&quot;

Amen. 

How many stores have a Myspace/Facebook page? An email reminder list? A Twitter feed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;2. How to advertise them to the demographic that reads them. Some stores rack manga, but don’t advertise that they have it in their store. That is essential, teenage girls are psychic and won’t know you have it in your store unless you tell them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen. </p>
<p>How many stores have a Myspace/Facebook page? An email reminder list? A Twitter feed?
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		<title>by: Torsten Adair</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1137911</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>God bless Pokemon for saving the American comics industry.  Lea raises many fine points, but Pokemon was the one product which introduced Japanese popular culture to the general public in America.  (Viz was one of the few graphic novel publishers selling to the book trade when they launched their Pokemon titles in 1999, and one of the few publishers of manga.)   (And I bought my first manga, LUM, at my favorite comicbook store.)

As for the situation at Barnes &amp;#38; Noble, here's a few things to consider:
1)  Outside of Shonen and Shojo manga, nothing else sells very well.  Kids aren't interested in &quot;the good stuff&quot; like Barefoot Gen or Lone Wolf and Cub.  Yaoi, and the lesser known Yuri and Hentai...  well, as a retailer, you want to be careful of stocking such items in a medium that many consider to be teen-centric.  
2)  If a publisher is lucky, a store will sell ONE COPY a MONTH.  Even so, store sales reports only list the top 50 titles on the category sales reports.  That single copy that sold will most likely not appear on the list, and if it's a new title, it will not be automatically reordered.  Only by eyeballing the shelves and seeing which volumes are missing can one determine what sold (or was stolen).
3)  There are a lot of titles out there.  Remember those 3300 titles which were published last year?  Picture the shelf space required for ONE copy of each title.  Then consider the backlist for all of the series like Naruto, Ranma, YuGiOh.  As a proactive Seductor of the Innocent, I always ordered in the first volume of a series, and guaged sales.  (This is why the Lincoln Center B&amp;#38;N now stocks the full line of Asterix and Tintin.)
4)  It costs money to order titles, to shelve titles, to sell titles, to return titles.  Even a behemoth like Wal*Mart does not stock everything.  The Library of Congress, which gets books for free (via copyright registration), does not keep every book ever published.  Space is finite, whether on a comicstrip page or in a bookstore.  If a section is expanded, something has to shrink.  
5)  Local stores are encouraged (via sales reports) to adapt to the community.  Amish romances might sell well in Pennsylvania, but not in San Francisco.  Every store can and does order and reorder titles which they think will sell.
6)  I would wager that at any B&amp;#38;N, one can find at least one graphic novel mole.  B&amp;#38;N has a store directory on their website.  Send a sampler or catalog to stores.  Visit the stores near you (or wherever you travel) and talk to the &quot;graphic novel guy/girl&quot; at the store.  (The employees will point them out.  We all know each other's passions.)  Give them a free copy to read.  Get their name for future mailings.  Ask them what does  (and does not) sell in their store.  If the store is near your office, talk to the Community Relations Manager about hosting an event like a signing or a book club.  
7)  Eventually, if a title sells on a regular basis, the system will notice, and model it for automatic reordering.  I suspect a publisher's distributor can offer detailed analysis of what sells where, and this information will help you the next time you talk to a buyer.  You can even use that information when talking to a DIFFERENT buyer!  (&quot;We sold X copies via Suncoast, so we think we can sell them through your company, and make you money, and maybe grab some of their business.&quot;)
8)  Jim Killen, the Barnes &amp;#38; Noble GN buyer, has been doing this for a long time.  I don't work with him, but he's knowledgeable, professional, and does a great job selecting titles.  
9)  Yes, Yaoi is not found in many bookstores.  The same could be said of manga ten years ago.  Of graphic novels twenty years ago.  (Remember when they were shelved in Humor or Science Fiction?)  Acceptance of anything takes about twenty years.  Manga/anime was pioneered by science fiction fans about the same time as the independent comics community was (1980s).  Stuff gets discovered by the enthusiasts (Akira/TMNT) and reported by hipsters.  Ten years later, there's enough of a decent backlist that popculturalists notice and begin to exploit it.  A title goes mainstream (Pokemon/Sin City) which fuels creativity (and copycatting), and about ten years after that, it's an everyday thing.
10) Bookstores not selling your stuff?  Promote it elsewhere and everywhere, and the customers will either buy it from a specialist, or they'll buy it at a bookstore.  Either way you make a sale.  Do this long enough, and eventually you'll have a nice backlist, and maybe volume ten will hit Bookscan.  
[I no longer work B&amp;#38;N retail, and they do not pay me to talk about them.  I do this to help us all Seduce the Innocent.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless Pokemon for saving the American comics industry.  Lea raises many fine points, but Pokemon was the one product which introduced Japanese popular culture to the general public in America.  (Viz was one of the few graphic novel publishers selling to the book trade when they launched their Pokemon titles in 1999, and one of the few publishers of manga.)   (And I bought my first manga, LUM, at my favorite comicbook store.)</p>
<p>As for the situation at Barnes &amp; Noble, here&#8217;s a few things to consider:<br />
1)  Outside of Shonen and Shojo manga, nothing else sells very well.  Kids aren&#8217;t interested in &#8220;the good stuff&#8221; like Barefoot Gen or Lone Wolf and Cub.  Yaoi, and the lesser known Yuri and Hentai&#8230;  well, as a retailer, you want to be careful of stocking such items in a medium that many consider to be teen-centric.<br />
2)  If a publisher is lucky, a store will sell ONE COPY a MONTH.  Even so, store sales reports only list the top 50 titles on the category sales reports.  That single copy that sold will most likely not appear on the list, and if it&#8217;s a new title, it will not be automatically reordered.  Only by eyeballing the shelves and seeing which volumes are missing can one determine what sold (or was stolen).<br />
3)  There are a lot of titles out there.  Remember those 3300 titles which were published last year?  Picture the shelf space required for ONE copy of each title.  Then consider the backlist for all of the series like Naruto, Ranma, YuGiOh.  As a proactive Seductor of the Innocent, I always ordered in the first volume of a series, and guaged sales.  (This is why the Lincoln Center B&amp;N now stocks the full line of Asterix and Tintin.)<br />
4)  It costs money to order titles, to shelve titles, to sell titles, to return titles.  Even a behemoth like Wal*Mart does not stock everything.  The Library of Congress, which gets books for free (via copyright registration), does not keep every book ever published.  Space is finite, whether on a comicstrip page or in a bookstore.  If a section is expanded, something has to shrink.<br />
5)  Local stores are encouraged (via sales reports) to adapt to the community.  Amish romances might sell well in Pennsylvania, but not in San Francisco.  Every store can and does order and reorder titles which they think will sell.<br />
6)  I would wager that at any B&amp;N, one can find at least one graphic novel mole.  B&amp;N has a store directory on their website.  Send a sampler or catalog to stores.  Visit the stores near you (or wherever you travel) and talk to the &#8220;graphic novel guy/girl&#8221; at the store.  (The employees will point them out.  We all know each other&#8217;s passions.)  Give them a free copy to read.  Get their name for future mailings.  Ask them what does  (and does not) sell in their store.  If the store is near your office, talk to the Community Relations Manager about hosting an event like a signing or a book club.<br />
7)  Eventually, if a title sells on a regular basis, the system will notice, and model it for automatic reordering.  I suspect a publisher&#8217;s distributor can offer detailed analysis of what sells where, and this information will help you the next time you talk to a buyer.  You can even use that information when talking to a DIFFERENT buyer!  (&#8221;We sold X copies via Suncoast, so we think we can sell them through your company, and make you money, and maybe grab some of their business.&#8221;)<br />
8)  Jim Killen, the Barnes &amp; Noble GN buyer, has been doing this for a long time.  I don&#8217;t work with him, but he&#8217;s knowledgeable, professional, and does a great job selecting titles.<br />
9)  Yes, Yaoi is not found in many bookstores.  The same could be said of manga ten years ago.  Of graphic novels twenty years ago.  (Remember when they were shelved in Humor or Science Fiction?)  Acceptance of anything takes about twenty years.  Manga/anime was pioneered by science fiction fans about the same time as the independent comics community was (1980s).  Stuff gets discovered by the enthusiasts (Akira/TMNT) and reported by hipsters.  Ten years later, there&#8217;s enough of a decent backlist that popculturalists notice and begin to exploit it.  A title goes mainstream (Pokemon/Sin City) which fuels creativity (and copycatting), and about ten years after that, it&#8217;s an everyday thing.<br />
10) Bookstores not selling your stuff?  Promote it elsewhere and everywhere, and the customers will either buy it from a specialist, or they&#8217;ll buy it at a bookstore.  Either way you make a sale.  Do this long enough, and eventually you&#8217;ll have a nice backlist, and maybe volume ten will hit Bookscan.<br />
[I no longer work B&amp;N retail, and they do not pay me to talk about them.  I do this to help us all Seduce the Innocent.]
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		<title>by: Bill Aguiar</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think the challenge is that the vast majority of comic shops identify themselves as providing serial entertainment.  Yes, reality of the market may be different, but until there is a serial format that manga publishers can profitably publish and consumer will reliably purchase, I don't think that the majority of comic shops can reimagine themselves as selling manga as anything but a sideline.

It shouldn't be that difficult, after all, all manga is originally released as serial entertainment.  Perhaps something like MixxZine would work now, since it would be exploiting an already created body of readers rather than creating them.  It can't be something like the current 22 page floppy, simply because of the amount of content provided/cost/price ratio is way out of whack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the challenge is that the vast majority of comic shops identify themselves as providing serial entertainment.  Yes, reality of the market may be different, but until there is a serial format that manga publishers can profitably publish and consumer will reliably purchase, I don&#8217;t think that the majority of comic shops can reimagine themselves as selling manga as anything but a sideline.</p>
<p>It shouldn&#8217;t be that difficult, after all, all manga is originally released as serial entertainment.  Perhaps something like MixxZine would work now, since it would be exploiting an already created body of readers rather than creating them.  It can&#8217;t be something like the current 22 page floppy, simply because of the amount of content provided/cost/price ratio is way out of whack.
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		<title>by: Jamie Coville</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think what retailers need is a guide to selling manga that:

1. Identifies the main creators, tying upcoming releases to past releases (and like books) and stating if it's more or less popular as a ordering guide. This should be done on an ongoing basis.

2. How to advertise them to the demographic that reads them. Some stores rack manga, but don't advertise that they have it in their store. That is essential, teenage girls are psychic and won't know you have it in your store unless you tell them.

3. How to display them. Probably best to create a manga section that's seperate from everything else as many manga readers are as anti-superhero as superhero readers are anti-manga. At this point, segregation is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what retailers need is a guide to selling manga that:</p>
<p>1. Identifies the main creators, tying upcoming releases to past releases (and like books) and stating if it&#8217;s more or less popular as a ordering guide. This should be done on an ongoing basis.</p>
<p>2. How to advertise them to the demographic that reads them. Some stores rack manga, but don&#8217;t advertise that they have it in their store. That is essential, teenage girls are psychic and won&#8217;t know you have it in your store unless you tell them.</p>
<p>3. How to display them. Probably best to create a manga section that&#8217;s seperate from everything else as many manga readers are as anti-superhero as superhero readers are anti-manga. At this point, segregation is needed.
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		<title>by: gene phillips</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Is there not a disconnect between the following statments (as I have boiled them down)?

&quot;The new packaging of manga titles got girls to buy comics again in significant numbers.&quot;

&quot;Manga titles are too oriented on the horny boy audience.&quot;

Personally, I always thought the harem manga subgenre, at least, allowed the girl audience to be continually amused at the horny boy's antics while taking some pleasure in the sexual competition angle.

For that matter, wasn't that always the appeal of ARCHIE for girls?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there not a disconnect between the following statments (as I have boiled them down)?</p>
<p>&#8220;The new packaging of manga titles got girls to buy comics again in significant numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Manga titles are too oriented on the horny boy audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I always thought the harem manga subgenre, at least, allowed the girl audience to be continually amused at the horny boy&#8217;s antics while taking some pleasure in the sexual competition angle.</p>
<p>For that matter, wasn&#8217;t that always the appeal of ARCHIE for girls?
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		<title>by: Bill Cunningham</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow.

Lots of stuff to go through here and not just about manga... We could write books (yes, plural) on this subject.

However if we are to &quot;cure the patient&quot; that is, grow the idea of the direct market as THE source for printed comic book matter (no matter what the originating nationality/culture) for ALL ages, then there is one specific quirk of the LCS that must be addressed quickly and ruthlessly:

The Direct Market is living in the past, barely dealing with today, and not even considering the implications of the future. 

(And when I say this I am speaking of not only retailers, but of creators and publishers as well)

Even Hollywood has the same disease so you're at least in the same sick ward as they are...but seriously, address this first or the rest of it matters not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>Lots of stuff to go through here and not just about manga&#8230; We could write books (yes, plural) on this subject.</p>
<p>However if we are to &#8220;cure the patient&#8221; that is, grow the idea of the direct market as THE source for printed comic book matter (no matter what the originating nationality/culture) for ALL ages, then there is one specific quirk of the LCS that must be addressed quickly and ruthlessly:</p>
<p>The Direct Market is living in the past, barely dealing with today, and not even considering the implications of the future. </p>
<p>(And when I say this I am speaking of not only retailers, but of creators and publishers as well)</p>
<p>Even Hollywood has the same disease so you&#8217;re at least in the same sick ward as they are&#8230;but seriously, address this first or the rest of it matters not.
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		<title>by: The Comics Creator</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1136881</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maybe it's time American graphic novelists upped the ante.</description>
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		<title>by: Lea</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1136736</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>HAving said all that, I am pretty damn tired of manga (which doesn''t mean I'm not going to dispute points of history). Tired of the fan service, tired of the peek-a-boo fanservice that every female character (excepting old apple-head doll ladies) must be subjected to (can't threaten them fanboys too much, gotta reduce those women to parts so they keep their place!)*,  tired of the lolicon, tired of harem manga.

I'm just exhausted with the sameness and the hurr hurr fanservice and misogyny. (Funny, those are the same things that I dislike about most superhero comics.) The manga business is as locked in the above tropes as Big Comics are in a balls-to-face wrestling match with it's shrinking market.

BUT! there are a LOT of REALLY GOOD Western comics, and they're fresh. They're fun. They're thoughtful. As when I first turned to manga for something new, I am now turning back to the West for something that makes me glad to be a comics reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAving said all that, I am pretty damn tired of manga (which doesn'&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m not going to dispute points of history). Tired of the fan service, tired of the peek-a-boo fanservice that every female character (excepting old apple-head doll ladies) must be subjected to (can&#8217;t threaten them fanboys too much, gotta reduce those women to parts so they keep their place!)*,  tired of the lolicon, tired of harem manga.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just exhausted with the sameness and the hurr hurr fanservice and misogyny. (Funny, those are the same things that I dislike about most superhero comics.) The manga business is as locked in the above tropes as Big Comics are in a balls-to-face wrestling match with it&#8217;s shrinking market.</p>
<p>BUT! there are a LOT of REALLY GOOD Western comics, and they&#8217;re fresh. They&#8217;re fun. They&#8217;re thoughtful. As when I first turned to manga for something new, I am now turning back to the West for something that makes me glad to be a comics reader.
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		<title>by: Lea</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/the-fate-of-occidental-comics/#comment-1136640</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Girls just aren’t going to be comfortable in this store.&quot;
That's the problem in a nutshell, and not just at Forbidden Planet.

&quot;Kurt Hassler who has been responsible for the manga boom as much as any other single person except TokyoPop’s Stuart Levy.&quot;

You could stop right here:

&quot;Kurt Hassler who has been responsible for the manga boom as much as any other single person.&quot;
Hassler cleverly capitalized on an existing acceptance of paying $10. for untranslated volumes of manga and sold Stu Levy on the idea.
Hassler's idea to do $10. manga-sized manga (which I did in '98 and '99 KOFF KOFF) wouldn't have gone anywhere if it hadn't been for:

Putting these $10. manga-sized books in a bookstore girls were comfortable in, and
Anime being on Cartoon Network, at a time when the growing-up audience would actually see it.  
Cartoon Network indisputably changed the manga and anime market, and I could comfortably give it more credit than any one person. (Unless there's someone at CN who fought single-handed for re-airing Sailor Moon and using the WB/Cartoon Network association to show Pokemon.) 

Let's not forget Stu Levy's ideas included putting little girl's comics (Sailor Moon and Magic Knights Rayearth) with adult comics (Parasyte) in one fugly package called Mixxine. (I advised him, and he probably doesn't remember, that titles with more than one X would be construed as porn.)
Following that was Smile. Erm.
At roughly the same time, Tpop/Levy was putting out sub-manga sized books for $16.95.
I venture that if not for TPop listening to Hassler, a publisher who did listen to him would be getting all the credit for the manga revolution.
(Let's also not forget Hassler wrote for TP under a pseudonym.)

I can't give the American comic book industry credit for bringing manga to America if that includes the DM. 
I know from being in the manga end of the  comics business since its inception that it was a fight every step of the way to get more than a few stores to stock the &quot;big eyes and speedlines&quot; (previously &quot;ninjas and giant robots&quot;) with any consistency. (And that we very much wanted the unflopped/subtitled SFX/language&amp;#38;cultural notes at the back format but the DM simply would not support it in the '80's to late '90's.)

(Don't even get me going on the whoring of cheaper/faster/underpaid  manga production and iffy production values as &quot;authentic manga.&quot; Ptui.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Girls just aren’t going to be comfortable in this store.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s the problem in a nutshell, and not just at Forbidden Planet.</p>
<p>&#8220;Kurt Hassler who has been responsible for the manga boom as much as any other single person except TokyoPop’s Stuart Levy.&#8221;</p>
<p>You could stop right here:</p>
<p>&#8220;Kurt Hassler who has been responsible for the manga boom as much as any other single person.&#8221;<br />
Hassler cleverly capitalized on an existing acceptance of paying $10. for untranslated volumes of manga and sold Stu Levy on the idea.<br />
Hassler&#8217;s idea to do $10. manga-sized manga (which I did in &#8216;98 and &#8216;99 KOFF KOFF) wouldn&#8217;t have gone anywhere if it hadn&#8217;t been for:</p>
<p>Putting these $10. manga-sized books in a bookstore girls were comfortable in, and<br />
Anime being on Cartoon Network, at a time when the growing-up audience would actually see it.<br />
Cartoon Network indisputably changed the manga and anime market, and I could comfortably give it more credit than any one person. (Unless there&#8217;s someone at CN who fought single-handed for re-airing Sailor Moon and using the WB/Cartoon Network association to show Pokemon.) </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget Stu Levy&#8217;s ideas included putting little girl&#8217;s comics (Sailor Moon and Magic Knights Rayearth) with adult comics (Parasyte) in one fugly package called Mixxine. (I advised him, and he probably doesn&#8217;t remember, that titles with more than one X would be construed as porn.)<br />
Following that was Smile. Erm.<br />
At roughly the same time, Tpop/Levy was putting out sub-manga sized books for $16.95.<br />
I venture that if not for TPop listening to Hassler, a publisher who did listen to him would be getting all the credit for the manga revolution.<br />
(Let&#8217;s also not forget Hassler wrote for TP under a pseudonym.)</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t give the American comic book industry credit for bringing manga to America if that includes the DM.<br />
I know from being in the manga end of the  comics business since its inception that it was a fight every step of the way to get more than a few stores to stock the &#8220;big eyes and speedlines&#8221; (previously &#8220;ninjas and giant robots&#8221;) with any consistency. (And that we very much wanted the unflopped/subtitled SFX/language&amp;cultural notes at the back format but the DM simply would not support it in the &#8217;80&#8217;s to late &#8217;90&#8217;s.)</p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t even get me going on the whoring of cheaper/faster/underpaid  manga production and iffy production values as &#8220;authentic manga.&#8221; Ptui.)
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