Comments on: I’m a Marvel and you’re a slowpoke http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:43:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: groonk http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1577300 Fri, 16 May 2008 01:55:47 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1577300 interconnectedness is merely gravy. write and produce a good film first, then worry about the inside jokes and extra bits of tasty. interconnectedness is merely gravy.

write and produce a good film first, then worry about the inside jokes and extra bits of tasty.

]]> by: Henry Benton Jr http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1575853 Thu, 15 May 2008 22:59:46 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1575853 Just say that Campbell was actually Mysterio stalking Parker and it'd fix that problem. ;) Just say that Campbell was actually Mysterio stalking Parker and it’d fix that problem. ;)

]]> by: michael http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1575723 Thu, 15 May 2008 22:46:36 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1575723 "Marvel always has been one step ahead of DC." Except of course, where it comes to punishing swiping artists on their books. “Marvel always has been one step ahead of DC.”

Except of course, where it comes to punishing swiping artists on their books.

]]> by: Cary Coatney http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1575583 Thu, 15 May 2008 22:28:39 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1575583 Bruce Campbell needs to be cast as Mysterio in Spider-man 4. 'nuff Coatney said. ~ Coat Bruce Campbell needs to be cast as Mysterio in Spider-man 4. ’nuff Coatney said.

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Coat

]]> by: Joe Lawler http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1574228 Thu, 15 May 2008 18:30:59 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1574228 "Well, Marvel have already busted their film continuity, because Stan Lee has appeared as different people in most of them…unless he was really playing an aged Jamie Madrox." So did Bruce Campbell! The Spider-Man films need a Crisis on Infinite Campbells. “Well, Marvel have already busted their film continuity, because Stan Lee has appeared as different people in most of them…unless he was really playing an aged Jamie Madrox.”

So did Bruce Campbell! The Spider-Man films need a Crisis on Infinite Campbells.

]]> by: rich http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1573423 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:13:13 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1573423 Barbara Gordon/Batgirl appeared in Detective Comics in 1964, thus predating the television series. On the other hand ... Alfred Pennyworth was killed in the series around the same time. Since the television series featured him prominently, DC writers contrived a method of bringing Alfred back into continuity. Barbara Gordon/Batgirl appeared in Detective Comics in 1964, thus predating the television series.

On the other hand … Alfred Pennyworth was killed in the series around the same time. Since the television series featured him prominently, DC writers contrived a method of bringing Alfred back into continuity.

]]> by: Ed Mathews http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1571440 Thu, 15 May 2008 11:49:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1571440 Without the influence of "other media", there would be no Kryptonite (created for the Superman radio show) or Barbara Gordon Batgirl (created for the Batman TV show). There's a longer list, but really, sometimes a shared universe for other media is a horrible idea and might kill another great idea for the sake of an imaginary continuity. Without the influence of “other media”, there would be no Kryptonite (created for the Superman radio show) or Barbara Gordon Batgirl (created for the Batman TV show). There’s a longer list, but really, sometimes a shared universe for other media is a horrible idea and might kill another great idea for the sake of an imaginary continuity.

]]> by: simmo http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1569657 Thu, 15 May 2008 07:23:29 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1569657 Well, Marvel have already busted their film continuity, because Stan Lee has appeared as different people in most of them...unless he was really playing an aged Jamie Madrox. Well, Marvel have already busted their film continuity, because Stan Lee has appeared as different people in most of them…unless he was really playing an aged Jamie Madrox.

]]> by: Unpopular http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1565961 Wed, 14 May 2008 22:50:13 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1565961 Great.... just we everyone needs--comic book continuity forced onto films. They don't seem to understand that a majority of the audience for film doesn't give a damn whether Superman's world intersects with Batman's world. They just want a decent film. All of those little hints are great for people who understand them, but they should stay in the background where they belong. The success of Marvel films has more to do with the filmmakers who made them than Marvel executives dictating to said filmmakers. Continuity is evil. Great…. just we everyone needs–comic book continuity forced onto films. They don’t seem to understand that a majority of the audience for film doesn’t give a damn whether Superman’s world intersects with Batman’s world. They just want a decent film. All of those little hints are great for people who understand them, but they should stay in the background where they belong. The success of Marvel films has more to do with the filmmakers who made them than Marvel executives dictating to said filmmakers.

Continuity is evil.

]]> by: Sphinx Magoo http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1564306 Wed, 14 May 2008 19:25:12 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1564306 Well, this kind of article is not unexpected considering the success of the Iron Man and Spider-Man movies. Or even the Blade series. Plus the bit at the end of the Iron Man movie has everyone salivating for the next steps in opening up the Marvel Universe to the movie-going public. However, I think the tent-pole mentality of building up a movie that will successfully carry all of Warner's financial hopes kind of works against DC. To wit: so far all of Warner's DC movies basically bring characters who've had TV life to the big screen. Superman, Batman and Robin, and Wonder Woman. The "Super Friends", really, but without Aquaman who's had the bad luck of being turned into a punchline for bad jokes. Warner is looking for built-in name-recognition. That's why a Blue Devil or Shazam!/Captain Marvel movie has an uphill battle being made at Warner. Unless a big-name star agrees to star in the movie and then we might be talking. For example, if Tom Hanks decided he wanted to play the Barry Allen Flash, that movie would get made. Personally, I think the movie-going public would go for a Blue Devil movie if it starred Jackie Chan as Blue Devil. Lately everyone's been treating Blue Devil as DC's version of Hellboy, but in the old days, Blue Devil had more of a classic Spider-Man or Daredevil feel to it with crazy acrobatics and more chances for comedy. People would go to see Jackie Chan first, but they'd be introduced to a DC character they'd never heard about, which would be cool. That kind of thinking is how movies like Constantine and Ghost Rider got made, after all. Well, this kind of article is not unexpected considering the success of the Iron Man and Spider-Man movies. Or even the Blade series. Plus the bit at the end of the Iron Man movie has everyone salivating for the next steps in opening up the Marvel Universe to the movie-going public.

However, I think the tent-pole mentality of building up a movie that will successfully carry all of Warner’s financial hopes kind of works against DC. To wit: so far all of Warner’s DC movies basically bring characters who’ve had TV life to the big screen. Superman, Batman and Robin, and Wonder Woman. The “Super Friends”, really, but without Aquaman who’s had the bad luck of being turned into a punchline for bad jokes. Warner is looking for built-in name-recognition. That’s why a Blue Devil or Shazam!/Captain Marvel movie has an uphill battle being made at Warner. Unless a big-name star agrees to star in the movie and then we might be talking. For example, if Tom Hanks decided he wanted to play the Barry Allen Flash, that movie would get made.

Personally, I think the movie-going public would go for a Blue Devil movie if it starred Jackie Chan as Blue Devil. Lately everyone’s been treating Blue Devil as DC’s version of Hellboy, but in the old days, Blue Devil had more of a classic Spider-Man or Daredevil feel to it with crazy acrobatics and more chances for comedy. People would go to see Jackie Chan first, but they’d be introduced to a DC character they’d never heard about, which would be cool. That kind of thinking is how movies like Constantine and Ghost Rider got made, after all.

]]> by: David Blot http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1563958 Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:55 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1563958 Re : Here is the problem: Warners lets its FILMMAKERS dictate what happens in its superhero MOVIES. Ouch - as much as I enjoy most of Marvel movies, well, this sentence is rather odd : Boris Kit tends to forget that those are Movies first, super hero is just a genre, like western or thriller or romance. And thank god MOVIES are 'dictated' by FILMMAKERS - not by comic book readers. Sorry for the geeks in all of us... Re : Here is the problem: Warners lets its FILMMAKERS dictate what happens in its superhero MOVIES.

Ouch - as much as I enjoy most of Marvel movies, well, this sentence is rather odd : Boris Kit tends to forget that those are Movies first, super hero is just a genre, like western or thriller or romance.

And thank god MOVIES are ‘dictated’ by FILMMAKERS - not by comic book readers.

Sorry for the geeks in all of us…

]]> by: dave roman http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1563735 Wed, 14 May 2008 18:21:00 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1563735 I'd rather they just focus on making the movies actually good rather than interconnected. I’d rather they just focus on making the movies actually good rather than interconnected.

]]> by: Tucker Stone http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1563190 Wed, 14 May 2008 17:22:18 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1563190 Is there any fiscal evidence that this approach works yet? As far as anyone can tell, the only "interconnection" has yet to arrive, and this article seems to imply that the strategy has already paid off. Is there any fiscal evidence that this approach works yet? As far as anyone can tell, the only “interconnection” has yet to arrive, and this article seems to imply that the strategy has already paid off.

]]> by: MarcusLusk http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1563113 Wed, 14 May 2008 17:12:05 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1563113 Giving Superman an illegitimate child as a main plot point was a terrible decision as far as I'm concerned. Siegel & Schuster would be disgusted. Injecting adult themes into what was always meant to be a children's character (or at the very least, all ages-appropriate) struck me as unimaginative and unnecessary. Giving Superman an illegitimate child as a main plot point was a terrible decision as far as I’m concerned. Siegel & Schuster would be disgusted.
Injecting adult themes into what was always meant to be a children’s character (or at the very least, all ages-appropriate) struck me as unimaginative and unnecessary.

]]> by: phil http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1562928 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:51:15 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1562928 That's SOUNDS cool to connect all the properties. But what if the movie bombs and is connected to a really good movie. I'm really looking foward to an Avengers movie but what if the Hulk is ass. A good movie is a good movie and while it may seem cool to connect it to another movie, if that other movie is a bad movie I don't care if Nick Fury is in it or not. What if Superman Returns was connected to Dark Knight? People hate SR and would it lead to a bad stigma to DK? I don't think Marvels' way is inheritantly better than Warners, I just don't want shitty movies gussied up with an appearence by Downey Jr. in an attempt to get me to see it. That’s SOUNDS cool to connect all the properties. But what if the movie bombs and is connected to a really good movie. I’m really looking foward to an Avengers movie but what if the Hulk is ass. A good movie is a good movie and while it may seem cool to connect it to another movie, if that other movie is a bad movie I don’t care if Nick Fury is in it or not.

What if Superman Returns was connected to Dark Knight? People hate SR and would it lead to a bad stigma to DK?

I don’t think Marvels’ way is inheritantly better than Warners, I just don’t want shitty movies gussied up with an appearence by Downey Jr. in an attempt to get me to see it.

]]> by: Matthew Craig http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1562778 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:35:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1562778 <i>There’s not a hint of the existence of Gotham City in “Superman Returns"</i> Yes, there is. Daily Planet City Room, just as Lex's plan begins to get, to get, to getting kind of hectic. Listen to the news anchor on the television. Also, and please forgive the strong language, but fiddlesticks to all this talk of interconnectedness. //\Oo/\\ There’s not a hint of the existence of Gotham City in “Superman Returns”

Yes, there is.

Daily Planet City Room, just as Lex’s plan begins to get, to get, to getting kind of hectic. Listen to the news anchor on the television.

Also, and please forgive the strong language, but fiddlesticks to all this talk of interconnectedness.

//\Oo/\\

]]> by: Andrew Wickliffe http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1562665 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:23:32 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/05/14/im-a-marvel-and-youre-a-slowpoke/#comment-1562665 well, remember that Lorenzo di Bonaventura wanted to relaunch Superman and Batman off Superman vs. Batman, which would had direct unity. The HR has a good point, but what he's not accounting for is Warner's success with Superman and Batman as film franchises and properties, not comic book adaptations. Now, if Dark Knight bombs, then Warner should listen up. But to what extent? A bunch of movies directed in sitcom-style like Iron Man? At least Dark Knight and Superman Returns have a visual style. I've always thought DC ought to exercise the HBO connection for some interconnected series, selling them online then on disc.... well, remember that Lorenzo di Bonaventura wanted to relaunch Superman and Batman off Superman vs. Batman, which would had direct unity.

The HR has a good point, but what he’s not accounting for is Warner’s success with Superman and Batman as film franchises and properties, not comic book adaptations.

Now, if Dark Knight bombs, then Warner should listen up. But to what extent? A bunch of movies directed in sitcom-style like Iron Man? At least Dark Knight and Superman Returns have a visual style.

I’ve always thought DC ought to exercise the HBO connection for some interconnected series, selling them online then on disc….

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