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	<title>Comments on: San Diego&#8217;s economy&#8230;again</title>
	<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/</link>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Mister Fanboy</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-2052277</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I attended this year's con.  We stayed at the Sofia Hotel, about 8 blocks or so from the Convention Center.  We paid $928 for 5 nights.  The rooms were super tiny, but nice and the staff was great.  I loved staying there, but if I wasn't splitting the cost it would have been out of the question.  I got the tickets through the Con and 20 some minutes after the lines had opened, this was the cheapest I found.  All things considered, I got a good deal ... for San Diego.  I love visiting but am considering an international trip instead since I'm reaching that price point anyway.  LA would be a nightmare.  The idea of Vegas is great ... but we live there.</description>
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		<title>by: Stacey</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-2050583</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-2050583</guid>
					<description>Lorena,

Not all of the vendors are out-of-town vendors.  Off the top of my head, I know of three - an art supply store in Little Italy, &lt;a href=&quot;http://mysteriousgalaxy.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mysterious Galaxy&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloodfire.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bloodfire Studios&lt;/a&gt;.  And I'm sure there are more.

And while there are a lot of locals who don't get a hotel room (I'm one of them) or go out to restaurants, there are a lot who do get hotel rooms for the convience or go out to restaurants with friends they don't get to see very often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorena,</p>
<p>Not all of the vendors are out-of-town vendors.  Off the top of my head, I know of three - an art supply store in Little Italy, <a href="http://mysteriousgalaxy.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp" rel="nofollow">Mysterious Galaxy</a>, and <a href="http://www.bloodfire.com/" rel="nofollow">Bloodfire Studios</a>.  And I&#8217;m sure there are more.</p>
<p>And while there are a lot of locals who don&#8217;t get a hotel room (I&#8217;m one of them) or go out to restaurants, there are a lot who do get hotel rooms for the convience or go out to restaurants with friends they don&#8217;t get to see very often.
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		<title>by: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1964607</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1964607</guid>
					<description>I find myself agreeing with many of the things this Zeitgeist fellow writes...</description>
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		<title>by: ZEITGEIST / Random Comics News Story Round-Up</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1959545</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1959545</guid>
					<description>[...] Random Comics News Story Round-Up   * apparently, &amp;#60;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/world/europe/16nato.html?_r=2&amp;#38;oref=slogin&amp;#38;ref=world&amp;#38;pagewanted=print&amp;#38;oref=slogin&quot; title=&quot;the real world is turning into a Rick Veitch Army@Love comic book.&quot;&amp;#62;the real world is turning into a Rick Veitch Army@Love comic book.  * a documentary is looking for an artist or artists trying to get work as an artist at the San Diego Con. I would have to say showing up with a camera crew would be an advantage to getting your stuff looked at.  * a written article and video supplement about Mort Walker's massive collection of comics original art finally finding a home at Ohio State both answers and may raise some questions. While I think there are certainly laudatory if not heroic aspects to Walker's passion in gathering all of this material into one place and keeping it safe, there are elements of the museum's journey from conception to its final destination that I hadn't heard before and makes me wonder about certain aspects of its history. For instance, if the museum had received $5 million in corporate sponsorship, could it really have made a go in the reportedly lightly-visited Boca Raton space? Was NYC ever a serious option and do we know everything what why that fell through? When they say the material donated has to be cataloged by OSU, does that mean re-cataloged or that the material hasn't been cataloged yet?  * not comics: did you know there was tabletop role-playing material based on the idea that HP Lovecraft went on to write superhero comics for Nedor? That has to be the nerdiest thing I've ever seen. Don't get me wrong, though: I swooned.  * yes, comics: did you know that the author Audrey Niffenegger &amp;#60;a href=&quot;http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/?p=8373&quot; title=&quot;was doing a comic for the Guardian&quot;&amp;#62;was doing a comic for the Guardian?  * this seems quite reasonable: Dan Piraro talks about requests for use of his work, why he'll say yes to some and no to other and why you should always ask.   * the retailer Brian Hibbs goes into significant detail about a forthcoming purge of material from the shelves of his store based on information gathered by a POS system he installed last year.  * the writer and cartoonist &amp;#60;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/riff_blog/archives/2008/07/9048_the-dark-knight-cartoonist-review.html&quot; title=&quot;Shaenon Garrity on Mother Jones' web site&quot;&amp;#62;Shaenon Garrity on Mother Jones' web site.  * the prominent blogger and longtime industry veteran Heidi MacDonald asserts that the economic impact of Comic-Con International may be vastly under-reported by civic officials.   I imagine that could be true, I don't know. On the hand I have no idea how this information is collected and it sounds like there could be oversights in what's counted. On the other hand, I know that my friends who go to CCI and to trade shows at the same facility drop a lot more money in the city when they're looking at medical equipment or marketing seminar DVDs instead of old issues of Marvel Two-In-One, and have even more money dropped on their behalf. CCI isn't a cheap experience but one of the major expenses (flying in) goes to an airline and one of the others (hotels) can be mitigated through roommates and staying only part of the show. I'll be there two of the four days this year and I doubt I'll spend $250 in San Diego itself, and that includes a room to myself and eating out twice in a restaurant because I'm old now. (No ballgame this time, though.)   As might be expected, people seem to be seeing this as an issue of the city not loving convention-goers properly, which is leading to the usual calls that the show consider a move to Las Vegas, I guess because of its reputation for loving people. If you've ever been in the taxi line at McCarron and the registration line at CCI, I know the thought of doing them both in the same day just made you shudder. I prefer to keep my Vegas and my CCI separate, thank you, like chocolate cheesecake and Hendrick's Gin. Although it would be hilarious to experience one year just to see how many people tried to do without a hotel room of any kind and how many of my friends never quite made it to the exhibition hall. Also I would totally kill to shoot craps with Captain America.  * I knew it.  * finally, with what seems like an unusually high level of complaining going on about the direction and tenor of Comic-Con International underway despite its sold-out status a week before the 2008 show, I went looking for a white knight that might be speaking more positively of the show than expected. Here's alt-comics publisher Drawn &amp;#38; Quarterly with a resoundingly positive note about the forthcoming show and the convention's devotion to comics in general. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Random Comics News Story Round-Up   * apparently, &lt;a href=&#8221;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/world/europe/16nato.html?_r=2&amp;oref=slogin&amp;ref=world&amp;pagewanted=print&amp;oref=slogin&#8221; title=&#8221;the real world is turning into a Rick Veitch Army@Love comic book.&#8221;&gt;the real world is turning into a Rick Veitch Army@Love comic book.  * a documentary is looking for an artist or artists trying to get work as an artist at the San Diego Con. I would have to say showing up with a camera crew would be an advantage to getting your stuff looked at.  * a written article and video supplement about Mort Walker&#8217;s massive collection of comics original art finally finding a home at Ohio State both answers and may raise some questions. While I think there are certainly laudatory if not heroic aspects to Walker&#8217;s passion in gathering all of this material into one place and keeping it safe, there are elements of the museum&#8217;s journey from conception to its final destination that I hadn&#8217;t heard before and makes me wonder about certain aspects of its history. For instance, if the museum had received $5 million in corporate sponsorship, could it really have made a go in the reportedly lightly-visited Boca Raton space? Was NYC ever a serious option and do we know everything what why that fell through? When they say the material donated has to be cataloged by OSU, does that mean re-cataloged or that the material hasn&#8217;t been cataloged yet?  * not comics: did you know there was tabletop role-playing material based on the idea that HP Lovecraft went on to write superhero comics for Nedor? That has to be the nerdiest thing I&#8217;ve ever seen. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, though: I swooned.  * yes, comics: did you know that the author Audrey Niffenegger &lt;a href=&#8221;http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/?p=8373&#8243; title=&#8221;was doing a comic for the Guardian&#8221;&gt;was doing a comic for the Guardian?  * this seems quite reasonable: Dan Piraro talks about requests for use of his work, why he&#8217;ll say yes to some and no to other and why you should always ask.   * the retailer Brian Hibbs goes into significant detail about a forthcoming purge of material from the shelves of his store based on information gathered by a POS system he installed last year.  * the writer and cartoonist &lt;a href=&#8221;http://www.motherjones.com/riff_blog/archives/2008/07/9048_the-dark-knight-cartoonist-review.html&#8221; title=&#8221;Shaenon Garrity on Mother Jones&#8217; web site&#8221;&gt;Shaenon Garrity on Mother Jones&#8217; web site.  * the prominent blogger and longtime industry veteran Heidi MacDonald asserts that the economic impact of Comic-Con International may be vastly under-reported by civic officials.   I imagine that could be true, I don&#8217;t know. On the hand I have no idea how this information is collected and it sounds like there could be oversights in what&#8217;s counted. On the other hand, I know that my friends who go to CCI and to trade shows at the same facility drop a lot more money in the city when they&#8217;re looking at medical equipment or marketing seminar DVDs instead of old issues of Marvel Two-In-One, and have even more money dropped on their behalf. CCI isn&#8217;t a cheap experience but one of the major expenses (flying in) goes to an airline and one of the others (hotels) can be mitigated through roommates and staying only part of the show. I&#8217;ll be there two of the four days this year and I doubt I&#8217;ll spend $250 in San Diego itself, and that includes a room to myself and eating out twice in a restaurant because I&#8217;m old now. (No ballgame this time, though.)   As might be expected, people seem to be seeing this as an issue of the city not loving convention-goers properly, which is leading to the usual calls that the show consider a move to Las Vegas, I guess because of its reputation for loving people. If you&#8217;ve ever been in the taxi line at McCarron and the registration line at CCI, I know the thought of doing them both in the same day just made you shudder. I prefer to keep my Vegas and my CCI separate, thank you, like chocolate cheesecake and Hendrick&#8217;s Gin. Although it would be hilarious to experience one year just to see how many people tried to do without a hotel room of any kind and how many of my friends never quite made it to the exhibition hall. Also I would totally kill to shoot craps with Captain America.  * I knew it.  * finally, with what seems like an unusually high level of complaining going on about the direction and tenor of Comic-Con International underway despite its sold-out status a week before the 2008 show, I went looking for a white knight that might be speaking more positively of the show than expected. Here&#8217;s alt-comics publisher Drawn &amp; Quarterly with a resoundingly positive note about the forthcoming show and the convention&#8217;s devotion to comics in general. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: JWH</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1959112</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1959112</guid>
					<description>Cary, 

I understand that. But I'd hazard a guess that a vast majority of attendees don't Amtrak to the convention. And, it would seem, that there'd be less price-gouging in Vegas since there are more available rooms and, possibly, lower airfares (based on what other posters are saying). 

As far as local mass transit, there's always the possibility of shuttles to the convention arranged for the convention. It wouldn't be the first convention that had shuttle routes from several locations. NYC has plentiful mass transit, but the NYCC still has shuttles from various locations directly to the convention. 

But I didn't mean to be harsh or shoot down any reasons for not moving it to Vegas. I just think judging its potential for success in Vegas by several also-rans and their previous attempt isn't a valid criticism. If this long established convention moved there, I'm pretty sure an overwhelming majority of the exhibitors would move with it. But any other reasons to suggest it isn't a fine alternative are a completely different matter. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cary, </p>
<p>I understand that. But I&#8217;d hazard a guess that a vast majority of attendees don&#8217;t Amtrak to the convention. And, it would seem, that there&#8217;d be less price-gouging in Vegas since there are more available rooms and, possibly, lower airfares (based on what other posters are saying). </p>
<p>As far as local mass transit, there&#8217;s always the possibility of shuttles to the convention arranged for the convention. It wouldn&#8217;t be the first convention that had shuttle routes from several locations. NYC has plentiful mass transit, but the NYCC still has shuttles from various locations directly to the convention. </p>
<p>But I didn&#8217;t mean to be harsh or shoot down any reasons for not moving it to Vegas. I just think judging its potential for success in Vegas by several also-rans and their previous attempt isn&#8217;t a valid criticism. If this long established convention moved there, I&#8217;m pretty sure an overwhelming majority of the exhibitors would move with it. But any other reasons to suggest it isn&#8217;t a fine alternative are a completely different matter. <img src='http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1958878</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1958878</guid>
					<description>I met two people at the grocery store today who said they were from San Diego and I said I was going to Comic-Con and they beat me within an inch of my life.</description>
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		<title>by: Cary Coatney</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1958719</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1958719</guid>
					<description>JWH - 

Another point I would like to make is that some of us people who commute to San Diego via LA like to use the Amtrak or Metrolink.

There is no amtrak to Las Vegas - nor any other train service to Las Vegas for that matter. IF AMTRAK were to get off it's ass and not rely on government funding AND get that proposed BULLET TRAIN up and running then I'd almost be up for it..

But as it is - with the cost of airfare becoming increasingly high and riding greyhound buses with smelly bums and derelicts being the most suck ass way to travel ( I use a alternative busline called Megabus to go into town in order to have meetings with my printer - it is absolutely the champagne of buslines only because most derelicts and winos don't know jack about making reservations on the internet) there is really not much hope for convention attendees who don't own a automobile to attend a convention out in the middle of a desert.

And Las Vegas doesn't really have that much going in as far as metro transportation goes - other than those double decker deuce bus that go up and down the strip.

~

Coat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JWH - </p>
<p>Another point I would like to make is that some of us people who commute to San Diego via LA like to use the Amtrak or Metrolink.</p>
<p>There is no amtrak to Las Vegas - nor any other train service to Las Vegas for that matter. IF AMTRAK were to get off it&#8217;s ass and not rely on government funding AND get that proposed BULLET TRAIN up and running then I&#8217;d almost be up for it..</p>
<p>But as it is - with the cost of airfare becoming increasingly high and riding greyhound buses with smelly bums and derelicts being the most suck ass way to travel ( I use a alternative busline called Megabus to go into town in order to have meetings with my printer - it is absolutely the champagne of buslines only because most derelicts and winos don&#8217;t know jack about making reservations on the internet) there is really not much hope for convention attendees who don&#8217;t own a automobile to attend a convention out in the middle of a desert.</p>
<p>And Las Vegas doesn&#8217;t really have that much going in as far as metro transportation goes - other than those double decker deuce bus that go up and down the strip.</p>
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		<title>by: agro23</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1958658</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>One other thing to consider: As far as I know, everyone on the Con committee lives in San Diego. Why would they want to move THEIR show? They'd be relocating their jobs too. Sure they're a multi-million dollar non-profit juggernaut but right now they can drive to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing to consider: As far as I know, everyone on the Con committee lives in San Diego. Why would they want to move THEIR show? They&#8217;d be relocating their jobs too. Sure they&#8217;re a multi-million dollar non-profit juggernaut but right now they can drive to work.
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		<title>by: The Beat</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1958081</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Vegas always throws CES, an even BIGGER show than San Diego...the great maw of dreamland absorbs it like a tiny minnow in its chaotic fluxus. 

I am NOT in favor of moving the Comic-Con to Vegas. IT IS TOO F***NG HOT THERE! 

But I begin to despair over the city's obvious hostility to the show,.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vegas always throws CES, an even BIGGER show than San Diego&#8230;the great maw of dreamland absorbs it like a tiny minnow in its chaotic fluxus. </p>
<p>I am NOT in favor of moving the Comic-Con to Vegas. IT IS TOO F***NG HOT THERE! </p>
<p>But I begin to despair over the city&#8217;s obvious hostility to the show,.
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		<title>by: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1958008</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>And can I marry that man's daughter?</description>
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		<title>by: gene phillips</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1957796</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Has anybody in Vegas every said anything to the effect that they'd enjoy our business?

And if so, is it anyone with enough pull to guarantee that the cheap hotels in Vegas remain cheap the week of the Comicon?</description>
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<p>And if so, is it anyone with enough pull to guarantee that the cheap hotels in Vegas remain cheap the week of the Comicon?
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		<title>by: Susie</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1957732</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think people are renting rooms in Capistrano this year. (~_^)

My husband is an escapee of San Diego and he says it's always struggled with little-town-looking-sophisticated issues. They want to bring in more ESRIs and downplay the gobs of money SDCC brings. Add to that the extra resources the city has to expend that weekend (extra cops, etc) and they start to look rather fondly at smaller groups of people with bigger expense accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people are renting rooms in Capistrano this year. (~_^)</p>
<p>My husband is an escapee of San Diego and he says it&#8217;s always struggled with little-town-looking-sophisticated issues. They want to bring in more ESRIs and downplay the gobs of money SDCC brings. Add to that the extra resources the city has to expend that weekend (extra cops, etc) and they start to look rather fondly at smaller groups of people with bigger expense accounts.
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		<title>by: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1957460</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>They should totally move the show to Capistrano.</description>
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		<title>by: Lea Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1957298</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>*happy sigh.* It must be summer, because we're talking about SDCC in someplace other than SD again. It's like the swallows returning to Capistrano.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*happy sigh.* It must be summer, because we&#8217;re talking about SDCC in someplace other than SD again. It&#8217;s like the swallows returning to Capistrano.
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		<title>by: rich</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1957273</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1957273</guid>
					<description>Not really the point ... the point made was that City Officials say that SDCC doesn't bring in the same revenue as other shows.  But if SDCC has 125,000 attendees paying $400 a night for room, versus 15,000 geologist guys at $200 per night -- SDCC brings in way more money.

The City Officials don't want to admit that a major portion of their economy is relying on funny books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really the point &#8230; the point made was that City Officials say that SDCC doesn&#8217;t bring in the same revenue as other shows.  But if SDCC has 125,000 attendees paying $400 a night for room, versus 15,000 geologist guys at $200 per night &#8212; SDCC brings in way more money.</p>
<p>The City Officials don&#8217;t want to admit that a major portion of their economy is relying on funny books.
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		<title>by: Chip Mosher</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1955107</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>All this reminds me of back in '88 when I packed 11 people in to a Holiday Inn room and we had 2 guy sleeping on the balcony. If I was the manager of that hotel, I would sure as hell jack up the prices if people were sleeping on the balcony. Oh, no. I sound like an old, old man. Dammitt!

Spurge - I like the bluegrass idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this reminds me of back in &#8216;88 when I packed 11 people in to a Holiday Inn room and we had 2 guy sleeping on the balcony. If I was the manager of that hotel, I would sure as hell jack up the prices if people were sleeping on the balcony. Oh, no. I sound like an old, old man. Dammitt!</p>
<p>Spurge - I like the bluegrass idea!
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		<title>by: JWH</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1955081</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Everybody shut up about Vegas, already. We’ve already had this discussion. There was a convention put on in the fall of 2004 by San Diego Comic Con refugees who thought they could do better than the big show itself at the Mandalay Bay. Nobody came and nobody made any money.

I don’t think any more needs to be said.

~

Coat &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah...nothing more needs to be said in order to understand that a con started up by refugees who think they can do better might fail in Vegas.

Good thing everyone is talking about the idea of the whole CCI, as it exists now, being relocated to Vegas...since that would bring just about all the same folks that go to SD. You'd be kidding yourself if you thought the companies wouldn't attend it and, with their presence, bring a lot of the same attendees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Everybody shut up about Vegas, already. We’ve already had this discussion. There was a convention put on in the fall of 2004 by San Diego Comic Con refugees who thought they could do better than the big show itself at the Mandalay Bay. Nobody came and nobody made any money.</p>
<p>I don’t think any more needs to be said.</p>
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<p>Coat </i></p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;nothing more needs to be said in order to understand that a con started up by refugees who think they can do better might fail in Vegas.</p>
<p>Good thing everyone is talking about the idea of the whole CCI, as it exists now, being relocated to Vegas&#8230;since that would bring just about all the same folks that go to SD. You&#8217;d be kidding yourself if you thought the companies wouldn&#8217;t attend it and, with their presence, bring a lot of the same attendees.
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		<title>by: Secret Identity</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1954069</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>But Tom, does Vegas have a zoo? And if it does, does it have Pygmy Marmosets?</description>
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		<title>by: Secret Identity</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1954068</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>But Tom, does Vegas have a zoo? And if it does, does it have Pygmy Marmosets?</description>
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		<title>by: Bill Williams</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-1953905</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sure, I popped off about Las Vegas way back when.

I am saying that the Con going folks could support a show in Las Vegas, but it needs to crawl before it runs which was the 'extrosion' problem.  That and the name sounded like a manufacturing process and gave no clue what the hell the show was about.

While it can get to 115 degrees in the Summer, most comic conventions are not held outside.

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I popped off about Las Vegas way back when.</p>
<p>I am saying that the Con going folks could support a show in Las Vegas, but it needs to crawl before it runs which was the &#8216;extrosion&#8217; problem.  That and the name sounded like a manufacturing process and gave no clue what the hell the show was about.</p>
<p>While it can get to 115 degrees in the Summer, most comic conventions are not held outside.</p>
<p>Bill
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