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	<title>Comments on: Judge allows WATCHMEN lawsuit to go on</title>
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		<title>by: graves</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2300594</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Clearly no love lost between Fox and Warner. So - although it's horrendously complex - this renewed agression means that the &quot;Batman&quot; TV series is never going to be released, is it? 

Why can't the two studios come to a dual agreement to split profits and costs on BOTH &quot;Watchmen&quot; and the Adam West series...? Everyone wins, surely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly no love lost between Fox and Warner. So - although it&#8217;s horrendously complex - this renewed agression means that the &#8220;Batman&#8221; TV series is never going to be released, is it? </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t the two studios come to a dual agreement to split profits and costs on BOTH &#8220;Watchmen&#8221; and the Adam West series&#8230;? Everyone wins, surely.
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		<title>by: SKFK</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2186125</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2186125</guid>
					<description>&quot;I’ve never heard of a movie studio owning the rights to a property for this long. Usually they get the rights for a few years, and if they don’t exercise them, they revert back to the original owners. Which in this case would either be the creators or DC comics.&quot;

It all depends on the terms of the deal. Saul Zaentz, for example, has owned the movie rights to The Lord Of The Rings since the early 1970's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve never heard of a movie studio owning the rights to a property for this long. Usually they get the rights for a few years, and if they don’t exercise them, they revert back to the original owners. Which in this case would either be the creators or DC comics.&#8221;</p>
<p>It all depends on the terms of the deal. Saul Zaentz, for example, has owned the movie rights to The Lord Of The Rings since the early 1970&#8217;s.
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		<title>by: rev'D</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2182197</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I just love the dignified squabbling of studios over something that neither actually AUTHORED, while the author continues to answer every interviewer with &quot;I think it's an abomination of excess, and no, I don't want their money.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love the dignified squabbling of studios over something that neither actually AUTHORED, while the author continues to answer every interviewer with &#8220;I think it&#8217;s an abomination of excess, and no, I don&#8217;t want their money.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Cary Coatney</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2181185</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>With due respect to Fox - as the company who has paid me the most in terms of salary of all the studios I've been employed with- but they're being complete A-holes about this.

If they had managed to get off their duffs and actually make the movie - it would probably have been disasterous as LoEG and From Hell turned out.

I think WB somewhat better understands the product than any other studio would.

~

Coat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With due respect to Fox - as the company who has paid me the most in terms of salary of all the studios I&#8217;ve been employed with- but they&#8217;re being complete A-holes about this.</p>
<p>If they had managed to get off their duffs and actually make the movie - it would probably have been disasterous as LoEG and From Hell turned out.</p>
<p>I think WB somewhat better understands the product than any other studio would.</p>
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<p>Coat
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		<title>by: Todd Alcott</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2180852</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0339030/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Green&lt;i&gt;grass&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, not Green&lt;i&gt;glass&lt;/i&gt;.

Just remember, the grass is always greener in a Paul Greengrass movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0339030/" rel="nofollow">Paul Green<i>grass</i></a>, not Green<i>glass</i>.</p>
<p>Just remember, the grass is always greener in a Paul Greengrass movie.
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		<title>by: Rob</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2180279</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've never heard of a movie studio owning the rights to a property for this long.  Usually they get the rights for a few years, and if they don't exercise them, they revert back to the original owners.  Which in this case would either be the creators or DC comics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of a movie studio owning the rights to a property for this long.  Usually they get the rights for a few years, and if they don&#8217;t exercise them, they revert back to the original owners.  Which in this case would either be the creators or DC comics.
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		<title>by: ejulp</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179896</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179896</guid>
					<description>@Michael, yeah you're right...but still, I said &quot;at this early juncture.&quot;  The Sups case has been going on a while, and people should be better informed by now, a snap judgment in that case is unreasonable.  I just meant you shouldn't come down that negative on people when something is so &quot;fresh.&quot;

Kind of a pointless argument on my part, since, yeah, ideally you are right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael, yeah you&#8217;re right&#8230;but still, I said &#8220;at this early juncture.&#8221;  The Sups case has been going on a while, and people should be better informed by now, a snap judgment in that case is unreasonable.  I just meant you shouldn&#8217;t come down that negative on people when something is so &#8220;fresh.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kind of a pointless argument on my part, since, yeah, ideally you are right.
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		<title>by: Bill Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179871</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>IMO (hear that people - In My Opinion) 

It doesn't speak well of Warners that they didn't completely vet the project in the first place. 

You don't invest millions in a project where you have the chance of it taken away!!! What were they thinking?

Fox did the right in letting Warners go ahead and spend the millions, put themselves in a REALLY VULNERABLE position then pounced. You absolutely expect this from studios because that's what the tiger does...

And Warners was stupid enough to run around with a pair of beefsteak underwear on yelling &quot;Here kittty, kitty kitty...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO (hear that people - In My Opinion) </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t speak well of Warners that they didn&#8217;t completely vet the project in the first place. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t invest millions in a project where you have the chance of it taken away!!! What were they thinking?</p>
<p>Fox did the right in letting Warners go ahead and spend the millions, put themselves in a REALLY VULNERABLE position then pounced. You absolutely expect this from studios because that&#8217;s what the tiger does&#8230;</p>
<p>And Warners was stupid enough to run around with a pair of beefsteak underwear on yelling &#8220;Here kittty, kitty kitty&#8230;&#8221;
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		<title>by: Jake Saint</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179867</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179867</guid>
					<description>To be fair, DUKES OF HAZZARD was one of the worst movies in the history of cinema, so it's appropriate that &lt;i&gt;somebody&lt;/i&gt; had to pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, DUKES OF HAZZARD was one of the worst movies in the history of cinema, so it&#8217;s appropriate that <i>somebody</i> had to pay for it.
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		<title>by: Michael</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179865</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>ejulp, that would make sense if Fox had filed suit just yesterday. But they didn't. But they didn't. The case has been going on for six months.

I don't claim to know who's right and who's wrong. But ignoring that question and making a snap decision based on how much one wants to see the movie is, well, as silly as judging the Siegels' case against DC by how much one wants Superman comics to continue uninterrupted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ejulp, that would make sense if Fox had filed suit just yesterday. But they didn&#8217;t. But they didn&#8217;t. The case has been going on for six months.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t claim to know who&#8217;s right and who&#8217;s wrong. But ignoring that question and making a snap decision based on how much one wants to see the movie is, well, as silly as judging the Siegels&#8217; case against DC by how much one wants Superman comics to continue uninterrupted.
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		<title>by: ejulp</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179852</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179852</guid>
					<description>....then again (from blog@newsarama) 

The judge said “It is particularly noteworthy that nothing on the face of the complaint or the documents supplied to the Court establishes that Gordon, the claimed source of Warner Brothers’ interest in ‘Watchmen,’ ever acquired any rights in ‘Watchmen.’”

Pretty damning...is it actually possible they just assumed that since they owned the comic that they owned the rights to the movie, and didn't check? That seems mind bogglingly irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.then again (from blog@newsarama) </p>
<p>The judge said “It is particularly noteworthy that nothing on the face of the complaint or the documents supplied to the Court establishes that Gordon, the claimed source of Warner Brothers’ interest in ‘Watchmen,’ ever acquired any rights in ‘Watchmen.’”</p>
<p>Pretty damning&#8230;is it actually possible they just assumed that since they owned the comic that they owned the rights to the movie, and didn&#8217;t check? That seems mind bogglingly irresponsible.
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		<title>by: ejulp</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179797</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>((not that I meant Moore woulda really been involved in the suit, but that he had the foresight to avoid the heartbreak))

@Michael &quot;When I heard about this, I expected the average fan reaction to ignore any questions of legality and simply paint Fox as the mustache-twirling villain out to deny the world its rightful Watchmen movie.&quot;

Regardless, the movie has been in development far long enough that if this was a case of Fox being a &quot;complete innocent&quot;, they could have halted production before it &quot;hurt&quot; the team of artists (actors and director and designers, as well as Gibbons) get [not completely] screwed by this potentially not getting released.  Instead Fox waits till its a completed product, sees all the unexpected hype the movie is generating, and THEN decides to try to stop its release. 

If a rights case in the entertainment world only becomes &quot;worth it&quot; when the property becomes this [potenially] huge, to me (who is not in the industry nor a lawyer) it reeks of the case itself not being completely legit.  In another words, Fox had to wait it out to gauge whether the risk would be worth it, that itself possibly hints at the case itself being one of straw (of course maybe they are in the right, and just initially didn't care, you could argue).  

But at the end of the day the general audience (me for ex.), doesn't care whether Fox is in the right or not (at this early juncture, I mean) , we're just reacting how completely shady a move this is by Fox, for waiting so effing long to stop production.  And I think thats fair for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>((not that I meant Moore woulda really been involved in the suit, but that he had the foresight to avoid the heartbreak))</p>
<p>@Michael &#8220;When I heard about this, I expected the average fan reaction to ignore any questions of legality and simply paint Fox as the mustache-twirling villain out to deny the world its rightful Watchmen movie.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regardless, the movie has been in development far long enough that if this was a case of Fox being a &#8220;complete innocent&#8221;, they could have halted production before it &#8220;hurt&#8221; the team of artists (actors and director and designers, as well as Gibbons) get [not completely] screwed by this potentially not getting released.  Instead Fox waits till its a completed product, sees all the unexpected hype the movie is generating, and THEN decides to try to stop its release. </p>
<p>If a rights case in the entertainment world only becomes &#8220;worth it&#8221; when the property becomes this [potenially] huge, to me (who is not in the industry nor a lawyer) it reeks of the case itself not being completely legit.  In another words, Fox had to wait it out to gauge whether the risk would be worth it, that itself possibly hints at the case itself being one of straw (of course maybe they are in the right, and just initially didn&#8217;t care, you could argue).  </p>
<p>But at the end of the day the general audience (me for ex.), doesn&#8217;t care whether Fox is in the right or not (at this early juncture, I mean) , we&#8217;re just reacting how completely shady a move this is by Fox, for waiting so effing long to stop production.  And I think thats fair for now.
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		<title>by: Torsten Adair</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179745</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Who Watches the Watchmen?

What happens if Fox wins?  Do they gain the right to distribute the film?  And in which markets?  Can Warner/DC release the movie direct to video?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who Watches the Watchmen?</p>
<p>What happens if Fox wins?  Do they gain the right to distribute the film?  And in which markets?  Can Warner/DC release the movie direct to video?
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		<title>by: ejulp</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179734</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>((not that I meant Moore woulda really been involved in the suit, but that he had the foresight to avoid the heartbreak))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>((not that I meant Moore woulda really been involved in the suit, but that he had the foresight to avoid the heartbreak))
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		<title>by: ejulp</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179732</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Alan Moore reclines back in his seat, has a sip of his tea, breathes a sigh that seems to say  &quot;Who needs greed, I'd rather avoid it all, makes my life much less complicated.&quot;  

Even the the most jaded comic readers who were bitching about Moore's Watchmen responses are now pry admitting, &quot;well... I guess he wasn't just being a crotchety old coot.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Moore reclines back in his seat, has a sip of his tea, breathes a sigh that seems to say  &#8220;Who needs greed, I&#8217;d rather avoid it all, makes my life much less complicated.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Even the the most jaded comic readers who were bitching about Moore&#8217;s Watchmen responses are now pry admitting, &#8220;well&#8230; I guess he wasn&#8217;t just being a crotchety old coot.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Michael</title>
		<link>http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/19/judge-allows-watchmen-lawsuit-to-go-on/#comment-2179729</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>When I heard about this, I expected the average fan reaction to ignore any questions of legality and simply paint Fox as the mustache-twirling villain out to deny the world its rightful Watchmen movie.

Didn't expect that from the actual reporting on it, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I heard about this, I expected the average fan reaction to ignore any questions of legality and simply paint Fox as the mustache-twirling villain out to deny the world its rightful Watchmen movie.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t expect that from the actual reporting on it, though.
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