Comments on: The final word on KRAMERS ERGOT #7 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:22:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Blog@Newsarama » Blog Archive » Quote, Unquote http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2248835 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:59:32 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2248835 [...] “11 of those contributors are must-reads for me…33 pages for $125 bucks is a non-starter at my house; sorry, team artcomix. I know I’ve disappointed you terribly.” - Alan David Doane in just one of his many reverse marketing posts about the book. [...] […] “11 of those contributors are must-reads for me…33 pages for $125 bucks is a non-starter at my house; sorry, team artcomix. I know I’ve disappointed you terribly.” - Alan David Doane in just one of his many reverse marketing posts about the book. […]

]]> by: Tom Spurgeon http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2247878 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:13:19 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2247878 I've been offering to fight people for comics-related charities since 1994, but fighting Alan would make me sad. I’ve been offering to fight people for comics-related charities since 1994, but fighting Alan would make me sad.

]]> by: cbrown http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2236335 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:32:10 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2236335 Tom, you wouldn't fight Alan if the money went to a comic book related charity? Why do you hate charity? Tom, you wouldn’t fight Alan if the money went to a comic book related charity? Why do you hate charity?

]]> by: toby http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2235478 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:29:38 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2235478 The Hulk and Thor hate each other? The Hulk and Thor hate each other?

]]> by: Tom Spurgeon http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2230668 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:09:21 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2230668 Why would I want to fight Alan? When I was a younger comics fan, we urged people to fight one another that actually hated each other. Why would I want to fight Alan? When I was a younger comics fan, we urged people to fight one another that actually hated each other.

]]> by: Alan Coil http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2230234 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:21:31 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2230234 Spurgeon, but I'd only but a ticket to that event if the money went to a comic book related charity. Spurgeon, but I’d only but a ticket to that event if the money went to a comic book related charity.

]]> by: toby http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229960 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:32:08 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229960 So who do you think would win in a fight? Tom Spurgeon or ADD? In the Ultimate Universe, of course. So who do you think would win in a fight? Tom Spurgeon or ADD?

In the Ultimate Universe, of course.

]]> by: Patrick Dean http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229911 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:45:17 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229911 Okay, whichever titles with the word "Avengers" in it. Also, anything with Moon Knight. Fuck that guy. Moon Knight's taken enough of my cash, that bastard. I'm writing Moon Knight an email in ten minutes asking him to PayPal me back enough money so I can buy the Giant Size Kramers Ergot Super Special #1. Okay, whichever titles with the word “Avengers” in it. Also, anything with Moon Knight. Fuck that guy. Moon Knight’s taken enough of my cash, that bastard. I’m writing Moon Knight an email in ten minutes asking him to PayPal me back enough money so I can buy the Giant Size Kramers Ergot Super Special #1.

]]> by: ^ http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229880 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:26:11 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229880 There is no "The Avengers" comic-book currently being published. There is no “The Avengers” comic-book currently being published.

]]> by: Ayo http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229625 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:51:53 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229625 I am totally buying Alan's copy. I am totally buying Alan’s copy.

]]> by: Ian Harker http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229598 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:35:58 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229598 I'm not sure who this Alan David Doanez dude is, but a few thoughts: 1) Stop stealing my act from two years ago, I did it better then than you are doing it now. Ha! 2) Get over yourself and buy the damn book! You are clearly obsessed. I used to have a lot of negative feelings about these kinds of comics but I backed it up by actually reading them. In the end a lot of this stuff won me over. I can't wait for this book, meaning that I was going to make a loved one buy me it for x-mas but now I might just pre-order it so I can have it the day it comes out. I’m not sure who this Alan David Doanez dude is, but a few thoughts:

1) Stop stealing my act from two years ago, I did it better then than you are doing it now. Ha!

2) Get over yourself and buy the damn book! You are clearly obsessed. I used to have a lot of negative feelings about these kinds of comics but I backed it up by actually reading them. In the end a lot of this stuff won me over.

I can’t wait for this book, meaning that I was going to make a loved one buy me it for x-mas but now I might just pre-order it so I can have it the day it comes out.

]]> by: Tucker Stone http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229349 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:28:38 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229349 I've changed my mind about the antique Harley that I was considering purchasing. I think I'll keep looking for a '73 Ford XB GT Falcon. Thank you. That is all. I’ve changed my mind about the antique Harley that I was considering purchasing. I think I’ll keep looking for a ‘73 Ford XB GT Falcon.

Thank you. That is all.

]]> by: Patrick Dean http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229168 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:46:06 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2229168 I will not be buying the next issue of The Avengers. Thank you. That is all. I will not be buying the next issue of The Avengers.

Thank you. That is all.

]]> by: Tom Spurgeon http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2228945 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:55:06 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2228945 I'm hardly stalking you, Alan. I post on a lot of Heidi's threads and I've posted quite a bit on this issue in general. As far as I know I haven't engaged you in a single forum or site that I don't regularly cover and have engaged plenty of folks' views on this small but interesting issue. I don't remember your name even coming up in yesterday's Harkham interview. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I know that it can be comforting and even a good rhetorical strategy to suggest that there's an imbalance in someone's response -- that they're super-angry or stalking you or whatever -- particularly when there's not much you can muster on the issue itself. I don't know if that's the case here, but I suspect it could be. As this is winding down, I would suggest to you and to close industry watchers in general that when people disagree with your appraisal of something, however strongly, it's not them stalking you or being disappointed with you or being angry with you or being obsessed with you or really anything about you. It's probably an engagement with what you said, or implications of same. Similarly, when they agree with you they're probably not supporting you or being a friend or being your ally or rallying to your cause. Nor when they move from supporting your point of view on one issue to not supporting your point of view on another have they automatically lost objectivity or balance nor are they acting in a disappointing, baffling fashion. Thanks. I’m hardly stalking you, Alan. I post on a lot of Heidi’s threads and I’ve posted quite a bit on this issue in general.

As far as I know I haven’t engaged you in a single forum or site that I don’t regularly cover and have engaged plenty of folks’ views on this small but interesting issue. I don’t remember your name even coming up in yesterday’s Harkham interview. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

I know that it can be comforting and even a good rhetorical strategy to suggest that there’s an imbalance in someone’s response — that they’re super-angry or stalking you or whatever — particularly when there’s not much you can muster on the issue itself. I don’t know if that’s the case here, but I suspect it could be.

As this is winding down, I would suggest to you and to close industry watchers in general that when people disagree with your appraisal of something, however strongly, it’s not them stalking you or being disappointed with you or being angry with you or being obsessed with you or really anything about you. It’s probably an engagement with what you said, or implications of same.

Similarly, when they agree with you they’re probably not supporting you or being a friend or being your ally or rallying to your cause. Nor when they move from supporting your point of view on one issue to not supporting your point of view on another have they automatically lost objectivity or balance nor are they acting in a disappointing, baffling fashion.

Thanks.

]]> by: ADD http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2228734 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:52:12 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2228734 I don't know why Tom is stalking me over this issue either, Alan. But maybe <a href="http://www.43folders.com/2008/08/27/book-heuristics" rel="nofollow">this is the real last word on KE7</a>. I don’t know why Tom is stalking me over this issue either, Alan.

But maybe this is the real last word on KE7.

]]> by: Tom Spurgeon http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2228009 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:17:25 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2228009 I know it's hard for comics fans to accept, but just as it's possible for people to [GASP] want a book that you don't, or for a publisher to [SHUDDER] publish something without necessarily wanting to maximize sales and profits or agree with your strategy for doing so, it's also entirely within the realm of reason for someone to disagree with someone and say so in strong terms without there being a pernicious, hidden motive. Thanks for the insulting implication, though! I know it’s hard for comics fans to accept, but just as it’s possible for people to [GASP] want a book that you don’t, or for a publisher to [SHUDDER] publish something without necessarily wanting to maximize sales and profits or agree with your strategy for doing so, it’s also entirely within the realm of reason for someone to disagree with someone and say so in strong terms without there being a pernicious, hidden motive.

Thanks for the insulting implication, though!

]]> by: Alan Coil http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227994 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:55:27 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227994 Inquiring minds want to know: Did ADD kick Spurgeon's puppy? Inquiring minds want to know:

Did ADD kick Spurgeon’s puppy?

]]> by: Alan Coil http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227985 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:49:57 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227985 Amazon's listing is correct. It is 96 pages for $125. But the pages are big. Amazon’s listing is correct. It is 96 pages for $125. But the pages are big.

]]> by: TimCallahan http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227852 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:43:00 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227852 What's the over/under on when ADD actually caves in and buys the damn thing? It's like a magnificent piece of cake, and it's going to be sitting there, just a click away (or maybe closer, if he stops in at Modern Myths), and once everyone else gets their cake and talks about how delicious it is, how can he resist? He's certainly been thinking about that cake every waking moment. I like cake. I have pre-ordered some. (I'm talking about Kramer's, by the way.) What’s the over/under on when ADD actually caves in and buys the damn thing?

It’s like a magnificent piece of cake, and it’s going to be sitting there, just a click away (or maybe closer, if he stops in at Modern Myths), and once everyone else gets their cake and talks about how delicious it is, how can he resist?

He’s certainly been thinking about that cake every waking moment.

I like cake. I have pre-ordered some. (I’m talking about Kramer’s, by the way.)

]]> by: Aaron H http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227812 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:18:58 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227812 Is there an official page count anywhere? I count at least 59 artists on that list, and according to the interview, each has a contribution ranging from one to four pages. Amazon's listing may be out of date, but it clocks the book at 96 pages. I'm quite excited about this, actually. Is there an official page count anywhere? I count at least 59 artists on that list, and according to the interview, each has a contribution ranging from one to four pages. Amazon’s listing may be out of date, but it clocks the book at 96 pages.
I’m quite excited about this, actually.

]]> by: Tom Spurgeon http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227804 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:13:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227804 Alan, I've said it before and I'll say it again, no one gives a special shit about what you buy or don't buy. Get over yourself, and move on. Alan, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, no one gives a special shit about what you buy or don’t buy. Get over yourself, and move on.

]]> by: Mark Coale http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227478 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:13:10 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227478 I know this book is not for me, so good luck to all involved. I know this book is not for me, so good luck to all involved.

]]> by: ADD http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227154 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:06:12 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/08/27/the-final-word-on-kramers-ergot-7/#comment-2227154 11 of those contributors are must-reads for me...33 pages for $125 bucks is a non-starter at my house; sorry, team artcomix. I know I've disappointed you terribly. 11 of those contributors are must-reads for me…33 pages for $125 bucks is a non-starter at my house; sorry, team artcomix. I know I’ve disappointed you terribly.

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