Comments on: Pope, HAPPY CORP. B-day and DKNY Jeans launch pics http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:33:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: The Audacity of Success « Brand A http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2402455 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:56:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2402455 [...] I had my own quarter life mini-crisis a little before hearing this story from Amilya.  I love my job, but I was freaking out that if I wasn’t able to somehow cram all of my personal and professional aspirations into what I did at work, I would never fulfill my destiny.  (Do not ask me what I thought this was, I just knew I wasn’t going to make it.)  I was overwhelmed with very narrow visions of my future and pissed at everyone for not supporting my development as a unique little butterfly out to conquer the world.  In the following weeks I worked one of my company’s events full of entrepreneurs, and I talked to a lot of interesting people at some kick ass parties.  I got a kick to the head about making it happen myself.  I took out my camera last weekend and finally built myself a blog that I’ve committed to developing because I want to be successful.  It’s hard, it’s risky, and there are a million people who have done it before who can’t tell me what I have to do to make this work. [...] […] I had my own quarter life mini-crisis a little before hearing this story from Amilya.  I love my job, but I was freaking out that if I wasn’t able to somehow cram all of my personal and professional aspirations into what I did at work, I would never fulfill my destiny.  (Do not ask me what I thought this was, I just knew I wasn’t going to make it.)  I was overwhelmed with very narrow visions of my future and pissed at everyone for not supporting my development as a unique little butterfly out to conquer the world.  In the following weeks I worked one of my company’s events full of entrepreneurs, and I talked to a lot of interesting people at some kick ass parties.  I got a kick to the head about making it happen myself.  I took out my camera last weekend and finally built myself a blog that I’ve committed to developing because I want to be successful.  It’s hard, it’s risky, and there are a million people who have done it before who can’t tell me what I have to do to make this work. […]

]]> by: Ben May http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2398096 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:14:27 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2398096 Hm, is that a crappy jealous cartoonist I smell? Hm, is that a crappy jealous cartoonist I smell?

]]> by: Blackeye http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2396755 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:15:24 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2396755 Sorry Peter, I meant no disrespect, it of course is, "Liefeld." I agree, when comparing the two, what else needs to be said? That kind of sums it up doesn't it? Sorry Peter, I meant no disrespect, it of course is, “Liefeld.” I agree, when comparing the two, what else needs to be said? That kind of sums it up doesn’t it?

]]> by: Blackeye http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2396714 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:07:34 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2396714 What???!!! What???!!!

]]> by: Ulises http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2396654 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:52:23 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2396654 I don't really understand why it matters if it's his fifteen min. of fame or fifteen years. A lot of people like to hate on liefield, even though a lot of us as little boys were probably all about him. And things like WWF, and transformers, etc. Having these convenient nostalgia filters, where some stuff is 'crap' and some stuff is 'classic', keeps us from looking at any work objectively. Yes, liefield isn't an amazing artist, but his ridiculousness sure worked when i was 10 years old. Pop culture itself usually operates in spurts of trends and fads, and there's nothing wrong with it. Whether paul pope is just a trend, or in someway transforms how others see comics, is really not that important. I guess by being the first to say he's a fifteen minuter, somehow makes you feel like you're ahead of the curve, and that's just sort of juvenile. Both liefield and pope are completely different artists, at completely different times, just like it was cool back in the day to like new kids on the block and some pair of jeans, now it's cool to have some artist design a special line of clothes and have a reunion of new kids on the block. 15 minutes, or 15 years, each artist has it's own strength at its own time that appeals to a certain group. I liked liefield as a boy, now i like pope as a young man. I can still like liefield in the way i liked it as a boy, just like i'll continue liking pope the way i do now. Don't turn your back on some artists, acting like you're too cool for school over here. Comics are an evergrowing medium, and they'll be awkward times, but even then, could we know how to judge paul pope without going through that time where we learned how to judge liefield? That's what is important. I don’t really understand why it matters if it’s his fifteen min. of fame or fifteen years. A lot of people like to hate on liefield, even though a lot of us as little boys were probably all about him. And things like WWF, and transformers, etc. Having these convenient nostalgia filters, where some stuff is ‘crap’ and some stuff is ‘classic’, keeps us from looking at any work objectively. Yes, liefield isn’t an amazing artist, but his ridiculousness sure worked when i was 10 years old. Pop culture itself usually operates in spurts of trends and fads, and there’s nothing wrong with it. Whether paul pope is just a trend, or in someway transforms how others see comics, is really not that important. I guess by being the first to say he’s a fifteen minuter, somehow makes you feel like you’re ahead of the curve, and that’s just sort of juvenile. Both liefield and pope are completely different artists, at completely different times, just like it was cool back in the day to like new kids on the block and some pair of jeans, now it’s cool to have some artist design a special line of clothes and have a reunion of new kids on the block. 15 minutes, or 15 years, each artist has it’s own strength at its own time that appeals to a certain group. I liked liefield as a boy, now i like pope as a young man. I can still like liefield in the way i liked it as a boy, just like i’ll continue liking pope the way i do now. Don’t turn your back on some artists, acting like you’re too cool for school over here. Comics are an evergrowing medium, and they’ll be awkward times, but even then, could we know how to judge paul pope without going through that time where we learned how to judge liefield? That’s what is important.

]]> by: Jackie Estrada http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395915 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:19:46 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395915 Looking at Paul Pope's work, the LAST thing I would think of is "mystical hippie." Not sure where that came from, especially since Paul is well known as being a rationalist. Looking at Paul Pope’s work, the LAST thing I would think of is “mystical hippie.” Not sure where that came from, especially since Paul is well known as being a rationalist.

]]> by: Peter Krause http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395824 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:48:15 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395824 Instead of comparison in the above sentence, please insert the word "similarity". Instead of comparison in the above sentence, please insert the word “similarity”.

]]> by: Peter Krause http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395817 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:46:35 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395817 I think just the mention of any kind of comparison between "Rob Liefield" (sic) and Paul Pope speaks for itself. I think just the mention of any kind of comparison between “Rob Liefield” (sic) and Paul Pope speaks for itself.

]]> by: Blackeye http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395686 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:03:01 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395686 It's okay to defend your heroes. No need to feel defensive. People sure get worked up don't they? I actually like some of Paul Pope's work, I though his one shot story of Batman was great, I thought it was brilliant that Bruce Wayne was an effeminate homosexual. I'm just suggesting, that maybe his celebrity is more based on his allure than his art. Hippy chic is cool, I dig it. Peace to all! It’s okay to defend your heroes. No need to feel defensive. People sure get worked up don’t they? I actually like some of Paul Pope’s work, I though his one shot story of Batman was great, I thought it was brilliant that Bruce Wayne was an effeminate homosexual. I’m just suggesting, that maybe his celebrity is more based on his allure than his art. Hippy chic is cool, I dig it. Peace to all!

]]> by: MisterPhil http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395684 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:59:48 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395684 Ryan Kelley and Nathan Fox also seem quite influenced by Popel's work. That Rob Liefeld analogy doesn't work for me: Pope is designing fashions, Liefeld wore jeans. Ryan Kelley and Nathan Fox also seem quite influenced by Popel’s work. That Rob Liefeld analogy doesn’t work for me: Pope is designing fashions, Liefeld wore jeans.

]]> by: The Beat http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395534 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:17:53 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395534 Jim D. Yah, I think we had best leave Blackeye on his own. I forgot about Becky Cloonan but obviously the whole "5" group is influenced by Pope. Also, Sam Hiti. Just sayin... Jim D. Yah, I think we had best leave Blackeye on his own. I forgot about Becky Cloonan but obviously the whole “5″ group is influenced by Pope. Also, Sam Hiti.

Just sayin…

]]> by: The Beat http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395524 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:15:21 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395524 For <a href = "http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6557087.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> I was kind of surprised when both Lemire and Shaw named named Chris Ware AND Pope as major influences. For this article I was kind of surprised when both Lemire and Shaw named named Chris Ware AND Pope as major influences.

]]> by: Blackeye http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395523 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:13:59 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395523 Isn't Rob Liefield, A good analogy. I think his path was very similar to Paul's. Remember when he was making denim jean commercials? His "career" has been 15 years and still counting...yikes. I think I could name a lot more people that he has influenced, but is that good? Isn’t Rob Liefield, A good analogy. I think his path was very similar to Paul’s. Remember when he was making denim jean commercials? His “career” has been 15 years and still counting…yikes. I think I could name a lot more people that he has influenced, but is that good?

]]> by: Jim D. http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395514 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:10:45 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395514 As to influence, the most obvious example is Becky Cloonan, and I'm sure others will pipe in. But here's the thing, Blackeye: you've inserted the words "of merit" there, which ensures that any attempts to engage you on this will end up being circular and self-defeating. You've essentially bullet-proofed your opinion by allowing yourself to reject the "merit" of any cartoonist mentioned. I mean, if you don't agree that Pope's work has "merit", it's not like we're going to be able to assign it backwards to him through some sort of transitive property by way of those he's influenced. Gah! Why am I even typing this.... As to influence, the most obvious example is Becky Cloonan, and I’m sure others will pipe in.

But here’s the thing, Blackeye: you’ve inserted the words “of merit” there, which ensures that any attempts to engage you on this will end up being circular and self-defeating. You’ve essentially bullet-proofed your opinion by allowing yourself to reject the “merit” of any cartoonist mentioned. I mean, if you don’t agree that Pope’s work has “merit”, it’s not like we’re going to be able to assign it backwards to him through some sort of transitive property by way of those he’s influenced.

Gah! Why am I even typing this….

]]> by: Jim D. http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395488 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:03:17 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395488 Yeah, Beat, I was gonna say - I'm not as big a Pope fan as many others I know, but I respect his contributions and his influence, which is plain as day to anyone reading comics in the last 5 years or so. At this point his "15 Minutes" is nearly 15 *YEARS*...and counting. Yeah, Beat, I was gonna say - I’m not as big a Pope fan as many others I know, but I respect his contributions and his influence, which is plain as day to anyone reading comics in the last 5 years or so. At this point his “15 Minutes” is nearly 15 *YEARS*…and counting.

]]> by: Blackeye http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395477 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:01:00 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395477 Here's the interesting thing, "a lot more staying power than a LOT OF PEOPLE THINK." I guess that might suggest that I'm not alone in thinking that it's all flash and very little substance. You could be right though, Britney Spears and Paris Hilton still seem to be popular. Maybe give an example of who, of merit, has been influenced by Pee Pee's work. Here’s the interesting thing, “a lot more staying power than a LOT OF PEOPLE THINK.” I guess that might suggest that I’m not alone in thinking that it’s all flash and very little substance. You could be right though, Britney Spears and Paris Hilton still seem to be popular. Maybe give an example of who, of merit, has been influenced by Pee Pee’s work.

]]> by: The Beat http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395375 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:32:22 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395375 Blackeye, actually I think Pope's work is going to have a lot more staying power than a lot of people think. I'm constantly amazed by how many young cartoonists he has influenced, and that's going back to his 90s work. Blackeye, actually I think Pope’s work is going to have a lot more staying power than a lot of people think. I’m constantly amazed by how many young cartoonists he has influenced, and that’s going back to his 90s work.

]]> by: jimmy palmiotti http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395261 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:03:56 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395261 amanda and i were backed up with work ...which sucked. happy bday paul...you crazy dude! amanda and i were backed up with work …which sucked. happy bday paul…you crazy dude!

]]> by: Blackeye http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395209 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:49:01 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2395209 Remember when New Kids on the Block were big? They were everywhere and they were the flavor of the month. Paul Pope kind of reminds me of that. After the "cool" factor wears off, people are going to eventually scratch their heads and go, "I don't get it." The whole idea of mystical hippies producing art, seems about 4 decades behind. Enjoy your 15 minutes, you have about 5 left. Remember when New Kids on the Block were big? They were everywhere and they were the flavor of the month. Paul Pope kind of reminds me of that. After the “cool” factor wears off, people are going to eventually scratch their heads and go, “I don’t get it.” The whole idea of mystical hippies producing art, seems about 4 decades behind. Enjoy your 15 minutes, you have about 5 left.

]]> by: Steve Taylor http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2394976 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:43:20 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2394976 HEY!!!! This thing is much speedier than I thought. You can't control this "Submit Comment",...it's tricky. HEY!!!! This thing is much speedier than I thought. You can’t control this “Submit Comment”,…it’s tricky.

]]> by: jimmy http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2394947 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:34:53 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2394947 i showed up much later, but still...good times and the clothing line looks great! i showed up much later, but still…good times and the clothing line looks great!

]]> by: Steve Taylor http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2394941 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:31:02 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2394941 Belated happy birthday and congratulations to little Paul Pope of New York City. Belated happy birthday and congratulations to little Paul Pope of New York City.

]]> by: Steve Taylor http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2394935 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:30:20 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/09/30/pope-b-day-and-dkny-launch-pics/#comment-2394935 Happy Birthday and congratulations to little Paul Pope of New York City. Happy Birthday and congratulations to little Paul Pope of New York City.

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