Comments on: Pull Quotes: Obscure and interconnected http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:05:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: THE BEAT » Blog Archive » Pull Quotes: Obscure and interconnected | beginnerforex.com http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2872388 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:30:34 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2872388 [...] THE BEAT » Blog Archive » Pull Quotes: Obscure and interconnected [...] […] THE BEAT » Blog Archive » Pull Quotes: Obscure and interconnected […]

]]> by: MBunge http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861931 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:25:33 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861931 K-Box nails it. Morrison should take his paycheck and send part of it to the readers of FINAL CRISIS, because he largely relies on them to fill in the parts of his story that he can't be bothered with. Mike K-Box nails it. Morrison should take his paycheck and send part of it to the readers of FINAL CRISIS, because he largely relies on them to fill in the parts of his story that he can’t be bothered with.

Mike

]]> by: Sphinx Magoo http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861410 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:40:00 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861410 From the PW interview: "In my JLA stories, I popularized the idea of the healthy, Zen-warrior Batman as an alternative to the slightly-hysterical, obsessed and violent portrayal of the character that had gained ground." I always liked this Batman. It's pretty close to the Batman of the new "Brave and the Bold" series which my son and I both enjoy. My favorite bit of the "Zen-warrior Batman" has to be when the JLA goes up against Gorilla Grodd in the first issues of "JLA Confidential"; Batman is captured by Grodd, so Grodd ties Batman to a rotisserie over a huge fire! Holy roasted chicken, Batman! I flashed back to my days of watching the old Adam West Batman series and just had to know how this one turned out! Classic, delightful stuff. From the PW interview:
“In my JLA stories, I popularized the idea of the healthy, Zen-warrior Batman as an alternative to the slightly-hysterical, obsessed and violent portrayal of the character that had gained ground.”

I always liked this Batman. It’s pretty close to the Batman of the new “Brave and the Bold” series which my son and I both enjoy.

My favorite bit of the “Zen-warrior Batman” has to be when the JLA goes up against Gorilla Grodd in the first issues of “JLA Confidential”; Batman is captured by Grodd, so Grodd ties Batman to a rotisserie over a huge fire! Holy roasted chicken, Batman! I flashed back to my days of watching the old Adam West Batman series and just had to know how this one turned out! Classic, delightful stuff.

]]> by: Sphinx Magoo http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861390 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:33:30 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861390 Just looking at Mr. Morrison's picture in the link back to the PW interview... he kinda looks like Patrick Stewart in that image. Maybe you have to squint your eyes just a bit... Just looking at Mr. Morrison’s picture in the link back to the PW interview…
he kinda looks like Patrick Stewart in that image. Maybe you have to squint your eyes just a bit…

]]> by: Jroug http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861351 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:23:30 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861351 “This poorly structured execution of this weak, over-hyped and inevitably overturned "event" storyline also drew attention to deservedly forgotten old adventures and in doing so reminded us of the half-assed stories from DC’s Batman back catalogue that we'd all rather forget. By transforming every slap-dash neglected old yarn into a potential headache of clues towards the psychology of Batman or the identity of his nemesis, readers were put off this work in the same way their enthusiasm for Final Crisis was discouraged!” “This poorly structured execution of this weak, over-hyped and inevitably overturned “event” storyline also drew attention to deservedly forgotten old adventures and in doing so reminded us of the half-assed stories from DC’s Batman back catalogue that we’d all rather forget. By transforming every slap-dash neglected old yarn into a potential headache of clues towards the psychology of Batman or the identity of his nemesis, readers were put off this work in the same way their enthusiasm for Final Crisis was discouraged!”

]]> by: Grant Morrison’s Story-Fu | This Too Will Pass http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861195 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:37:15 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2861195 [...]   The Beat quotes Grant Morrison on his crazy-and-getting-crazier approach to storywriting style. When he puts it this way, I sort of dig it. Maybe I shouldn’t. Maybe it’s just spin. But I do.  [...] […]   The Beat quotes Grant Morrison on his crazy-and-getting-crazier approach to storywriting style. When he puts it this way, I sort of dig it. Maybe I shouldn’t. Maybe it’s just spin. But I do.  […]

]]> by: Charles Knight http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2860890 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:17:38 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2860890 It the degenerate nature (in regards to storytelling not the editors chasing their sub-editors around the office with a strap-on) of big two comics "We are only writing for the hardcore anyway, I don't need to explain who those characters are or their motivation, they can get it on-line" It the degenerate nature (in regards to storytelling not the editors chasing their sub-editors around the office with a strap-on) of big two comics

“We are only writing for the hardcore anyway, I don’t need to explain who those characters are or their motivation, they can get it on-line”

]]> by: Neeb http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2860532 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:46:55 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2860532 ""“I had the idea to develop an approach to comic narrative that would actually benefit from becoming entangled in internet fan speculation, gossip and research…"" So Grant finally made _us_ part of the story? I think he might have achieved his goal of making the DCU a living thing in spite of itself. “”“I had the idea to develop an approach to comic narrative that would actually benefit from becoming entangled in internet fan speculation, gossip and research…”"

So Grant finally made _us_ part of the story? I think he might have achieved his goal of making the DCU a living thing in spite of itself.

]]> by: Kate Willaert http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2859053 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:20:27 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2859053 When I no longer had the budget to buy all the X-books while in college, I kept up with them almost solely from reading Paul O'Brien's reviews. And still do, mostly, unless a story sounds particularly good (like Peter David's X-Factor). When I no longer had the budget to buy all the X-books while in college, I kept up with them almost solely from reading Paul O’Brien’s reviews. And still do, mostly, unless a story sounds particularly good (like Peter David’s X-Factor).

]]> by: Kelson http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858991 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:00:57 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858991 In the same vein, I had a friend who kept up with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Voyager for years solely by following newsgroups (remember those?) and not watching the shows themselves. In the same vein, I had a friend who kept up with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Voyager for years solely by following newsgroups (remember those?) and not watching the shows themselves.

]]> by: Mark Coale http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858912 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:35:26 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858912 In a way, it's a lot like how longtime wrestling fans have given up watching the TV shows, but know everything that's happening by reading the net or the wrestling newsletters. In a way, it’s a lot like how longtime wrestling fans have given up watching the TV shows, but know everything that’s happening by reading the net or the wrestling newsletters.

]]> by: AaronH http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858787 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:43:02 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858787 It does seem entirely possible now to follow the big events in the DC and Marvel universes simply by reading interviews and occasional scans on comics blogs. Sometimes it seems like Newsarama and CBR cover those events as thoroughly as CNN and MSNBC cover real-world news, and I know there are fans who don't read the actual comics but keep up to date by just reading the news, reviews and interviews. In a way, I think this means that the Big Two's superhero universes are already moving to the Internet, whether they intend them to or not. It does seem entirely possible now to follow the big events in the DC and Marvel universes simply by reading interviews and occasional scans on comics blogs. Sometimes it seems like Newsarama and CBR cover those events as thoroughly as CNN and MSNBC cover real-world news, and I know there are fans who don’t read the actual comics but keep up to date by just reading the news, reviews and interviews.
In a way, I think this means that the Big Two’s superhero universes are already moving to the Internet, whether they intend them to or not.

]]> by: Matt http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858557 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:22:25 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858557 Morrison..ZZZZzzzZZZ. Morrison..ZZZZzzzZZZ.

]]> by: Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858554 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:21:14 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858554 "I had the idea to develop an approach to comic narrative that would actually benefit from becoming entangled in internet fan speculation, gossip and research…" Translation: Rather than actually telling a story, I thought I'd just post the equivalent of a rough story outline, and then force the readers to employ their own fanfic-writing abilities to finish the story for me. The sad thing is, Morrison is not the only one who pulls this bullshit. How many major Marvel storylines have had to be explained in ONLINE INTERVIEWS rather than in THE ACTUAL STORIES THEMSELVES? That's pretty much been the entire BASIS of Spider-Man's continuity, post-OMD. “I had the idea to develop an approach to comic narrative that would actually benefit from becoming entangled in internet fan speculation, gossip and research…”

Translation: Rather than actually telling a story, I thought I’d just post the equivalent of a rough story outline, and then force the readers to employ their own fanfic-writing abilities to finish the story for me.

The sad thing is, Morrison is not the only one who pulls this bullshit. How many major Marvel storylines have had to be explained in ONLINE INTERVIEWS rather than in THE ACTUAL STORIES THEMSELVES? That’s pretty much been the entire BASIS of Spider-Man’s continuity, post-OMD.

]]> by: Christopher Moonlight @ Moonlight Art Magazine http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858448 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:28:53 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/15/pull-quotes-obscure-and-interconnected/#comment-2858448 "Lazier readers hate when I do this but fortunately they seem to be in the minority.” Time. Money. Sleep. Welcome to the land of haves and have nots. Which side do you come from? I still think Morrison is a great writer, though. “Lazier readers hate when I do this but fortunately they seem to be in the minority.”

Time. Money. Sleep. Welcome to the land of haves and have nots. Which side do you come from? I still think Morrison is a great writer, though.

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