Comments on: Spiegelman in the Washington Post http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:22:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Spiegelman in der Washington Post « HIRNWICHSE (ヒルンビクセ) http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3405666 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:47:28 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3405666 [...] via The Beat [...] […] via The Beat […]

]]> by: Scott Bieser http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3404505 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:35:15 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3404505 I think the point of Spiegelman's cartoon-essay was not so much about the murderousness of foreign governments but the callousness of our own. And yes, of FDR's government too. We don't remember this now but anti-Semitism was wide-spread and "acceptable" in 1930s American culture, and FDR's State Department was particularly notorious in that regard. In racial/ethnic matters, America's elites differed from the Nazis more in degree than in kind. What I found really shocking was the revelation of 48,000 modern refugees being imprisoned by Homeland Security for months or years without court hearings. Is Obama doing anything about that? I think the point of Spiegelman’s cartoon-essay was not so much about the murderousness of foreign governments but the callousness of our own. And yes, of FDR’s government too. We don’t remember this now but anti-Semitism was wide-spread and “acceptable” in 1930s American culture, and FDR’s State Department was particularly notorious in that regard. In racial/ethnic matters, America’s elites differed from the Nazis more in degree than in kind.

What I found really shocking was the revelation of 48,000 modern refugees being imprisoned by Homeland Security for months or years without court hearings. Is Obama doing anything about that?

]]> by: Matt Jeske http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3399695 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:30:04 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3399695 Re: foobar What about the atrocities of the Bosnian War? Maybe not a world power, But ex-Yugoslavia/Bosnia/Serbia have to be at least Second World, right? And that was happening in Europe. Re: foobar
What about the atrocities of the Bosnian War?
Maybe not a world power, But ex-Yugoslavia/Bosnia/Serbia have to be at least Second World, right? And that was happening in Europe.

]]> by: Art Spiegelman en el Washington Post « Comicopia http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3399265 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:35:10 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3399265 [...] Via: The Beat [...] […] Via: The Beat […]

]]> by: foobar http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396630 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:48:12 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396630 The difference is that the Rwanda genocide happened in a third world country, whereas as the World War II holocaust was perpetrated by a world power. The difference is that the Rwanda genocide happened in a third world country, whereas as the World War II holocaust was perpetrated by a world power.

]]> by: The Beat http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396447 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:13:19 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396447 Actually, I don't think things have changed very much at all. Rwanda happened barely 15 years ago and Somalia is still going on. These genocides don't have the horrific efficiency of The Final Solution, but are just as senseless. Actually, I don’t think things have changed very much at all. Rwanda happened barely 15 years ago and Somalia is still going on. These genocides don’t have the horrific efficiency of The Final Solution, but are just as senseless.

]]> by: Robert Boyd http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396398 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:39:05 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396398 Remember that in 1939, no one knew the Nazis were going to kill 6 million Jews. They were seen as an unfortunate persecuted minority. Well, persecuted minorities were not people that most Americans spent too much time worrying about. After all, we had our own persecuted minorites (African-Americans, chiefly) in the U.S. Public opinion was not clamoring for the right of these refugees to be admitted, nor was there in domestic or international law any sort of "rights" for refugees or obligation for countries to receive them. There was certainly no UNHCR. So Roosevelt and the U.S. made what is in retrospect a horrific and tragic decision. Later Roosevelt made the horrible decision to imprison Japanese-Americans. We are right to look back and condemn him for these decisions, but at the same time, we should be aware of how different the world was then. Remember that in 1939, no one knew the Nazis were going to kill 6 million Jews. They were seen as an unfortunate persecuted minority. Well, persecuted minorities were not people that most Americans spent too much time worrying about. After all, we had our own persecuted minorites (African-Americans, chiefly) in the U.S. Public opinion was not clamoring for the right of these refugees to be admitted, nor was there in domestic or international law any sort of “rights” for refugees or obligation for countries to receive them. There was certainly no UNHCR.

So Roosevelt and the U.S. made what is in retrospect a horrific and tragic decision. Later Roosevelt made the horrible decision to imprison Japanese-Americans. We are right to look back and condemn him for these decisions, but at the same time, we should be aware of how different the world was then.

]]> by: The Beat http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396247 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:50:27 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396247 Roosevelt must have been listening to Lou Dobbs at the time. Roosevelt must have been listening to Lou Dobbs at the time.

]]> by: Mark Engblom http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396212 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:43:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/06/22/spiegelman-in-the-washington-post/#comment-3396212 Wow...1939? Wasn't that done under the beneficent gaze of Franklin Delano Roosevelt? There must be some mistake! Wow…1939? Wasn’t that done under the beneficent gaze of Franklin Delano Roosevelt? There must be some mistake!

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