Comments on: SD09: And the little girls know how to screw it up http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/ The News Blog of Comics Culture Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:56:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: majorpalmer5767 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3629257 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:34:54 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3629257 Bookmarked your blog and will be checking back in abit for new stuff! Tata! Bookmarked your blog and will be checking back in abit for new stuff! Tata!

]]> by: Yen to publish Twilight manga | Anime Blog Online http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3470388 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:28:08 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3470388 [...] Will the blogosphere react with scorn or admiration? Comments are muted so far, but keep an eye on Heidi’s post at The Beat, as it is usually the bellwether for the comics blogosphere’s collective opinion. [...] […] Will the blogosphere react with scorn or admiration? Comments are muted so far, but keep an eye on Heidi’s post at The Beat, as it is usually the bellwether for the comics blogosphere’s collective opinion. […]

]]> by: Yen to publish Twilight manga « MangaBlog http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3468721 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:21:25 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3468721 [...] Will the blogosphere react with scorn or admiration? Comments are muted so far, but keep an eye on Heidi’s post at The Beat, as it is usually the bellwether for the comics blogosphere’s collective opinion. [...] […] Will the blogosphere react with scorn or admiration? Comments are muted so far, but keep an eye on Heidi’s post at The Beat, as it is usually the bellwether for the comics blogosphere’s collective opinion. […]

]]> by: WolfenM http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3466308 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:50:40 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3466308 Amen, Torsten Adair! Let the fan without any actual fan obsession cast the first stone, ne? Otherwise, let their be peace and tolerance among the fandoms -- especialy since there's a lot of overlap! Those Twilighters may very well be interested in Avatar as well -- I'm a Twilighter, and *I* am! Amen, Torsten Adair! Let the fan without any actual fan obsession cast the first stone, ne? Otherwise, let their be peace and tolerance among the fandoms — especialy since there’s a lot of overlap! Those Twilighters may very well be interested in Avatar as well — I’m a Twilighter, and *I* am!

]]> by: Read: FOL Newsletter, October 1995 « Friends Of Lulu http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3466234 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:55:51 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3466234 [...] In light of the current controversy surrounding legions of young female fans “flooding” San Diego Comic Con, I thought the “Note From The Editor” of this Oct. 1995 issue was particularly ironic. It concerned “The Plight of the Drag-alongs” (referring to non-comic reading girlfriends or wives who are “dragged along” to comic cons): “The comics industry must recognize the potential of  the drag-alongs. Comic cons, with a few notable exceptions, aren’t comic book shows; they’re “superhero shows.” Nothing against superheroes, but why shouldn’t the biggest marketing events in the industry target other, wider audiences?” [...] […] In light of the current controversy surrounding legions of young female fans “flooding” San Diego Comic Con, I thought the “Note From The Editor” of this Oct. 1995 issue was particularly ironic. It concerned “The Plight of the Drag-alongs” (referring to non-comic reading girlfriends or wives who are “dragged along” to comic cons): “The comics industry must recognize the potential of  the drag-alongs. Comic cons, with a few notable exceptions, aren’t comic book shows; they’re “superhero shows.” Nothing against superheroes, but why shouldn’t the biggest marketing events in the industry target other, wider audiences?” […]

]]> by: Mark http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3459843 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:54:30 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3459843 "First they came for the Twilight fans, but I did not care because I had not read the books. Then they came for furries, but I said nothing because they seemed a bit weird… "Sound familiar? "Gripe all you want because a certain group is 'ruining' Comic-Con. Complain about Hollywood usurping comics, even though films have been part of SDCC for decades. Complain about 'the others/them/those people' who threaten your little fantasy worlds. "But before you do, reach back into your private memory. Recall how others made you feel because you were 'different', because you found escape and enjoyment in other worlds. Remember how it felt to discover that there were other individuals who shared your interests, and that maybe you weren’t so strange after all. "Think about that before you complain about too many girls or mundanes or events you’re not interested in. "(Don’t they see? We won. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, girls and women reading comics, comics in libraries… It’s freakin’ V-E Day and New Years and November Fourth! Let our Geek Flag fly !!)" Bravo! :D “First they came for the Twilight fans, but I did not care because I had not read the books. Then they came for furries, but I said nothing because they seemed a bit weird…
“Sound familiar?
“Gripe all you want because a certain group is ‘ruining’ Comic-Con. Complain about Hollywood usurping comics, even though films have been part of SDCC for decades. Complain about ‘the others/them/those people’ who threaten your little fantasy worlds.

“But before you do, reach back into your private memory. Recall how others made you feel because you were ‘different’, because you found escape and enjoyment in other worlds. Remember how it felt to discover that there were other individuals who shared your interests, and that maybe you weren’t so strange after all.

“Think about that before you complain about too many girls or mundanes or events you’re not interested in.

“(Don’t they see? We won. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, girls and women reading comics, comics in libraries… It’s freakin’ V-E Day and New Years and November Fourth! Let our Geek Flag fly !!)”

Bravo! :D

]]> by: James Van Hise http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3456608 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:17:14 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3456608 This is nothing new. Any event which has a large fan following creates these problems. People camped out at least 2 hours before the Hugh Jackman panel a few years ago and there was still a long line trying to get in. A fistfight broke out when people tried to sneak around a line and get into a side door see Halle Barry a few years ago. About 3 years ago I went to see the panel with Ray Bradbury and Ray Harryhausen. I also wanted to see the Stargate panel afterwards anyway. Very few people were there to see the two Rays. After their panel ended the room filled to capacity for Stargate. Getting there at least 2 hours early to see a very popular presentation is now commonplace and not limited to Twilight by any means. This year with Twilight, James Cameron, Star Wars, Dr. Who and more, there will be a lot of that. This is nothing new. Any event which has a large fan following creates these problems. People camped out at least 2 hours before the Hugh Jackman panel a few years ago and there was still a long line trying to get in. A fistfight broke out when people tried to sneak around a line and get into a side door see Halle Barry a few years ago. About 3 years ago I went to see the panel with Ray Bradbury and Ray Harryhausen. I also wanted to see the Stargate panel afterwards anyway. Very few people were there to see the two Rays. After their panel ended the room filled to capacity for Stargate. Getting there at least 2 hours early to see a very popular presentation is now commonplace and not limited to Twilight by any means. This year with Twilight, James Cameron, Star Wars, Dr. Who and more, there will be a lot of that.

]]> by: Tom McLean http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3456575 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:51:04 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3456575 The Twilight crowd last year is being exaggerated. Yes, there were a lot of them, they were down front, and they did swoon and scream a bit. But I also recall that the hall was not completely full during that panel. In fact, there was nothing too unusual about the whole thing — except, of course, that most of the Twilighters were girls and young women. The Twilight crowd last year is being exaggerated.

Yes, there were a lot of them, they were down front, and they did swoon and scream a bit. But I also recall that the hall was not completely full during that panel.

In fact, there was nothing too unusual about the whole thing — except, of course, that most of the Twilighters were girls and young women.

]]> by: Mickey http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3456503 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:19:13 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3456503 I officially could care less about Hollywood at comic-con. These schmucks need to find their own festival to market their latest product to. I officially could care less about Hollywood at comic-con. These schmucks need to find their own festival to market their latest product to.

]]> by: Torsten Adair http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3456460 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:52:58 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3456460 First they came for the Twilight fans, but I did not care because I had not read the books. Then they came for furries, but I said nothing because they seemed a bit weird... Sound familiar? Gripe all you want because a certain group is "ruining" Comic-Con. Complain about Hollywood usurping comics, even though films have been part of SDCC for decades. Complain about "the others/them/those people" who threaten your little fantasy worlds. But before you do, reach back into your private memory. Recall how others made you feel because you were "different", because you found escape and enjoyment in other worlds. Remember how it felt to discover that there were other individuals who shared your interests, and that maybe you weren't so strange after all. Think about that before you complain about too many girls or mundanes or events you're not interested in. (Don't they see? We won. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, girls and women reading comics, comics in libraries... It's freakin' V-E Day and New Years and November Fourth! Let our Geek Flag fly !!) First they came for the Twilight fans, but I did not care because I had not read the books. Then they came for furries, but I said nothing because they seemed a bit weird…
Sound familiar?
Gripe all you want because a certain group is “ruining” Comic-Con. Complain about Hollywood usurping comics, even though films have been part of SDCC for decades. Complain about “the others/them/those people” who threaten your little fantasy worlds.

But before you do, reach back into your private memory. Recall how others made you feel because you were “different”, because you found escape and enjoyment in other worlds. Remember how it felt to discover that there were other individuals who shared your interests, and that maybe you weren’t so strange after all.

Think about that before you complain about too many girls or mundanes or events you’re not interested in.

(Don’t they see? We won. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, girls and women reading comics, comics in libraries… It’s freakin’ V-E Day and New Years and November Fourth! Let our Geek Flag fly !!)

]]> by: ed http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455871 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:37:46 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455871 Apparently, those TWILIGHT fans last year didn't see that 'No Gurls Alowwed' sign in front of Hall H last year... and are again returning this year for NEW MOON? It's funny to read about a guy whose focus in attending SDCC is going to the 'most anticipated film of the year's presentation (in 3-D!!!) is bemoaning the possibilty that "normal people" would be unable to get one of those Hall H seats because of all those "Twilighters" --- ie, fans of a COMPETING Film property also there at the Con. It's always fascinating to see Nerd territoriality in action like this. Apparently, those TWILIGHT fans last year didn’t see that ‘No Gurls Alowwed’ sign in front of Hall H last year… and are again returning this year for NEW MOON?

It’s funny to read about a guy whose focus in attending SDCC is going to the ‘most anticipated film of the year’s presentation (in 3-D!!!) is bemoaning the possibilty that “normal people” would be unable to get one of those Hall H seats because of all those “Twilighters” — ie, fans of a COMPETING Film property also there at the Con.

It’s always fascinating to see Nerd territoriality in action like this.

]]> by: Horace Austin http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455588 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:20:57 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455588 SDCC realizes how dumb it is to exclude Sigourney Weaver from the AVATAR panel. The Entertainment Weekly panel has just been moved to an earlier time. Now she can be at both panels. Good move, organizers! SDCC realizes how dumb it is to exclude Sigourney Weaver from the AVATAR panel.

The Entertainment Weekly panel has just been moved to an earlier time. Now she can be at both panels.

Good move, organizers!

]]> by: Horace Austin http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455117 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:23:44 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455117 Here's SDCC's response to my question re the Sigourney Weaver scheduling conflict: "Hello, She will probably not be able to do both panels. Just the one she is listed to attend." Good to know this. Here’s SDCC’s response to my question re the Sigourney Weaver scheduling conflict:

“Hello,
She will probably not be able to do both panels. Just the one she is listed to attend.”

Good to know this.

]]> by: kelly http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455053 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:02:48 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455053 Another idea- Clear the hall out before Twilight. Let the girls get in a separate Twilight line. Clear the hall out before panel starts and let the screaming girls in. Better yet, rent out Petco. Sell tickets. Seriously. They've shown films there before. It's San Diego in the summer, it won't rain. Let 'em go there. Another idea-
Clear the hall out before Twilight. Let the girls get in a separate Twilight line. Clear the hall out before panel starts and let the screaming girls in.

Better yet, rent out Petco. Sell tickets. Seriously. They’ve shown films there before. It’s San Diego in the summer, it won’t rain. Let ‘em go there.

]]> by: kelly http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455042 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:57:01 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455042 Oh sweet Jesus, help us. Cripes. Disney has more money then God can't they fix this?!?!? My family and I are hoping to attend the Disney panel which we thought was going to be hard to get into before reading this... Move the Twilight panel OUT of Hall H and somewhere far across town. Oh sweet Jesus, help us. Cripes. Disney has more money then God can’t they fix this?!?!?

My family and I are hoping to attend the Disney panel which we thought was going to be hard to get into before reading this…

Move the Twilight panel OUT of Hall H and somewhere far across town.

]]> by: Torsten Adair http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455038 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:55:41 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455038 Hmmm... Another way to handle this? Issue event tickets to each event in Hall H. If you have a ticket to the next event, an usher validates your ticket, and you get to stay in the hall. Otherwise you leave, and either get in line for an event later in the day, or come back later. Ushers validate tickets for those standing in line outside Hall H 15-30 minutes before the event occurs. If tickets for an event are not handed out in advance, ushers can distribute them at the Hall H entrance. Hand out tickets at a special outdoor kiosk starting at 6 AM the morning of. Limit of two tickets per event, limit of two events per person in line. (Event limitations can be suspended (but not the number of tickets per person) after ticket line is empty so that all tickets can be distributed. People who were in line can join the stand-by line.) This system can be made easier (and cooler) by issuing colored rubber wristbands of the "Livestrong" variety. Exhibitors can brand each, preferably in stripes or printed designs (or glow in the dark!) to avoid counterfeits and offense with pre-established color/causes. Ushers need only glance at the wristband to determine validity. Cost per event... $2000. Of course, the more wristbands a geek wears, the more hardcore he or she is. Hmmm…
Another way to handle this? Issue event tickets to each event in Hall H. If you have a ticket to the next event, an usher validates your ticket, and you get to stay in the hall. Otherwise you leave, and either get in line for an event later in the day, or come back later.

Ushers validate tickets for those standing in line outside Hall H 15-30 minutes before the event occurs. If tickets for an event are not handed out in advance, ushers can distribute them at the Hall H entrance.

Hand out tickets at a special outdoor kiosk starting at 6 AM the morning of. Limit of two tickets per event, limit of two events per person in line. (Event limitations can be suspended (but not the number of tickets per person) after ticket line is empty so that all tickets can be distributed. People who were in line can join the stand-by line.)

This system can be made easier (and cooler) by issuing colored rubber wristbands of the “Livestrong” variety. Exhibitors can brand each, preferably in stripes or printed designs (or glow in the dark!) to avoid counterfeits and offense with pre-established color/causes. Ushers need only glance at the wristband to determine validity. Cost per event… $2000. Of course, the more wristbands a geek wears, the more hardcore he or she is.

]]> by: Horace Austin http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455012 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:28:16 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455012 Thanks for the alert, Heidi. There seems to be a scheduling conflict with Sigourney Weaver. I've sent SDCC the following message: I've noticed the AVATAR panel has been moved to a new time of 3:00 p.m. - 4:15 p.m. The description says "James Cameron, producer Jon Landau, and cast members" will be on the panel. Will Sigourney Weaver, who stars in AVATAR, be on this panel? I ask because the AVATAR panel overlaps with the Entertainment Weekly: Wonder Women: Female Power Icons in Pop Culture panel set for 3:45 p.m. - 4:45 p.m. Weaver is scheduled for this panel as well. Is she going to be able to do both? Thanks for the alert, Heidi.

There seems to be a scheduling conflict with Sigourney Weaver.

I’ve sent SDCC the following message: I’ve noticed the AVATAR panel has been moved to a new time of 3:00 p.m. - 4:15 p.m. The description says “James Cameron, producer Jon Landau, and cast members” will be on the panel. Will Sigourney Weaver, who stars in AVATAR, be on this panel?

I ask because the AVATAR panel overlaps with the Entertainment Weekly: Wonder Women: Female Power Icons in Pop Culture panel set for 3:45 p.m. - 4:45 p.m. Weaver is scheduled for this panel as well.

Is she going to be able to do both?

]]> by: Kelson http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455001 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:13:20 +0000 http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2009/07/10/sd09-and-the-little-girls-know-how-to-screw-it-up/#comment-3455001 Given that they're allowing people to stay in the room between events, it seems like it would be obvious to take whatever they anticipate being most popular, most likely to have long lines and people camping out (possibly literally), and put it as early in the day as possible. No matter what demographic is going to make up the audience. Given that they’re allowing people to stay in the room between events, it seems like it would be obvious to take whatever they anticipate being most popular, most likely to have long lines and people camping out (possibly literally), and put it as early in the day as possible. No matter what demographic is going to make up the audience.

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